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KD articulates much of the Collapse’s parentage.
The only part underweighted?
Citizen complacency.
Tomorrow, try this experiment – ask five people the same two questions:
1) Who won the best actress Oscar Sunday night?
2) What is the current level of Federal government debt, according to US Treasury figures?
The only answer that matters is $14,119,807,822,019.49.
Think any of your five subjects will miss question #1?
How about question #2?
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From Billy Beck:
“If we were to attempt to go back to horse powered farm production it would take something like 20 years to increase the horse population adequately and it requires about 1/3 of the farm capacity to feed them.”
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Verbatim reports from the field via FreeFor counterprotesters in opposition to Saturday’s union/fellow traveller demonstrations in Atlanta and Raleigh:
ATL:
Gentlemen, here’s the accounting of saturday’s encounter. I’ll have to burn copies of the vids I already have and am meeting with James Brown (the guy who taped wednesday and saturday’s encounter) to get a copy of saturday’s encounter to add to ours.
Since we couldn’t let Wednesday’s SEIU counter demonstration by the Restore the Constitution group stand, we headed back out on Saturday to the move-on-dot-org protest. This time I was not only armed with my sidearm, but also a copy of SB-308 gun law signed by Governor Purdue back in April 2010. The night before the demonstration, I re-read the law just to be extra certain we were acting within the law.
Four of us ventured out to the Rally at high noon; three open carrying and one carrying a video camera. We were gratefully joined by a videographer who also taped Wednesday’s encounter. I’ll not mention his name because I’ve not asked for clearance to do so as of yet but let me assure you, we genuinely appreciate his talent and coverage of the encounters. Immediately upon arrival at the corner of MLK and Washington St., seemingly the corner of choice for counter demonstrators by Georgia Capitol Police, we were approached by a Capitol Police Officer who told us he couldn’t allow us to carry our sidearms there. I spoke up saying I’m glad he mentioned that because I had a copy of SB308 gun law that I’d like to show him to prove that is an unlawful order and low and behold, Lt. Mitchell walks up. I immediately greeted him, shook his hand and started discussing the situation. He commented that he knew we’d be back, by the way.
Before I go any further, I have the utmost respect for Lt. Mitchell; he’s a former Marine, a man of honor and integrity and has a difficult job to do. While his order was unlawful, he showed us the utmost respect. Bear in mind he gets his orders from those above too. Of course, Lt. Mitchell took the same stance as Wednesday night, saying we could not be on State Property, Capitol Grounds nor at a Rally with sidearms and had to leave. We also took the same stance as Wednesday night saying we were absolutely within the law and the constitution and offered to review SB-308 with him because our first and second amendment rights and the law were being violated by telling us to leave. He refused to look at the law stating this was not the time nor the place and we should make an appointment with management to discuss this. I countered with this is absolutely the time and the place because we were not leaving nor putting our sidearms in our cars.
We debated the situation for a good 45 minutes. I repeatedly mentioned sections of SB308, reiterating what we were doing was lawful and told Lt. Mitchell that we in contact with Congressmen Sean Jerguson and Tim Bearden (Chairman of the Public Safety Committee) who confirmed our action was legal. Both of these Congressmen have written and/or co-sponsored gun laws.
Somewhere around half way through, I stated we basically had two choices here; 1) let us return to peaceably demonstrating and exercising our first and second amendment rights or, 2) he could arrest us. The first officer we met, who was patiently standing by listening to the entire debate immediately motioned for a State Trooper standing across the street to come over and I thought we were about to get “hooked up.”. I quickly added that we would not resist, however there would be consequences should we be arrested. I told Lt. Mitchell we’d take legal action against him, the Capitol Police and the State of Georgia for violating our 1, 2 and 4th amendment rights and we’d seek criminal charges for kidnapping (unlawful arrest and detention) and theft because I doubt he’d let us keep our sidearms during all of this. I also added that I did not want to do that to him, but was prepared to do so. He asked me if I had any idea of how often he hears people say they were unlawfully arrested and I countered that I highly doubt those other’s had done their homework like I had. He also commented that he could lawfully remove the weapons and while the conversation drifted from this point, I’ll add here that he could legally collect the weapons only if we were breaking the law, which of course, we weren’t.
The good news is we didn’t get arrested, the State Trooper evidently had something better to do and left and the other Capitol Police Officer had to go on a call of some sort. As things were winding down, Lt. Mitchell said we should contact Capitol Police Division Director Captain Rhodes to discuss this. He also stated he had a copy of SB308 in his vehicle and while not admitting this, I’ll bet he’s brushing up on it. We also concurred that the Capitol Ground Rules require updating for two reasons; 1) SB308 was signed into law in April 2010 and the Ground Rules are dated 2008 and 2) I say the Ground Rules are unlawful.
I offered to go ahead and leave if Lt. Mitchell promised to attend the meeting I’m intent on coordinating. I’m not quite certain he agreed to this, however I hope he attends because he witnessed first hand our intent and our character and would provide valuable input into the meeting. As we were leaving, many of the moveondotorg people were leaving too so we pretty much attended the entire demonstration and accomplished our goal.
As a side note, someone from some Tea Party group came up and disavowed any connection to us. I have no clue who this was, however my comments to him are as follows. As a Tea Party member, I demand our government absolutely protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic and make laws that are constitutional. It so happens that SB308, while not perfect, closely adheres to the Constitution and we were not in violation of the law by open carrying at this rally. This shows the absolute, complete ignorance of this man about the law and the Constitution and as far as I’m concerned, he can lick the boots of his oppressors!
RDU:
Rally in Ashville didn’t materialize, as Ashville Tea Party didn’t organize one so I went to Raleigh. Drive was about an hour shorter each way, so I guess that was for the better.
A few observations:
1) We had about 100-150 by my estimation, all from the local (read Central and Eastern NC) area. Our opposition had about 3 to 5 times that number, but when the out of state buses left with the “professional” protesters leaving only the local idiots, our numbers were equal.
2) We were angry, they were rabid. They used different forms of provocation, all without success. One of the most common was to send ultra rude, aggressive females over to our side of the street to stir up trouble. Whether this was simply rabid behavior or intentional, it was hard to tell. I suspect both.
3) They deployed a new tactic. They sent a female protestor to barge through our group from behind and then she charged that some of our people “assaulted” her by elbowing her. The police put that BS to bed fortunately, but they may not always do so.
4) Almost everyone I talked to there on our side knows that this was just a low pressure warm up for things to come. As such, the majority that I talked to are stockpiling food, ammo, etc. and, in fact, some are ahead of me in that area. It’s kind of funny talking to a 60 something year old lady who is pointing out the necessity of water storage and saying that the opfor has no clue about how bad things are about to get.
Based on this, I don’t feel quite as bad. We put up an OK number on relatively short notice. Most were 40 to 50 something with a fair number of 30 somethings, without so many elderly. The opfor’s age demo was only about 10 years younger than we were for the most part. When it goes south, we will be able to at least hold defensively in some areas, and, very possibly, will have a solid majority after the famine hits. (The previously mentioned lady thought that less than 1% of our opfor will survive the upcoming festivities).
More video to follow, but here’s part of the footage from Wednesday’s events in ATL, courtesy of Restore the Constitution.
Resist.
UPDATE 28 FEB 2010 0060 EST: Another county heard from; see section 3.
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Well worth your time, this essay is.
And here are the people you think will fix this fulminating cancer.
Do you understand yet?
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Over the transom of the WRSA International desk comes this thought-provoking essay. Note that for young people or other folks not steeped in wonderfully-diverse and equally-valid cultures from around the world, some of the following content may be disturbing:
Pssst…that catchy title was just to grab your attention. This letter is meant for you infidel men.
You infidel women, please click back to fuzzy bunnies and unicorns. I’ll wait.
[Dum-dee-dum dum…]
All men now? Good.
Don’t worry, this isn’t about flowers, candy or cards. Of course the very idea is ridiculous. Valentine’s Day is an infidel holiday celebrating lewd, immoral and licentious behavior typical to your fallen religions. Trust me when I say we have nothing like Valentine’s Day in the one true religion of peace.
And men, isn’t it better for us that we don’t have it in our religion? No need to buy your wife flowers, candies or even a card on Valentine’s or any other day. This is just one small example of why the one true religion is better for men, and why you should seriously consider switching over while we’re still taking volunteers.
And it’s really easy to join. Just say one prayer, and you’re in for life.
Here’s another good reason to switch. Say you don’t feel like showing tender affection to your wife. You don’t have to! In fact, if she burns dinner, doesn’t clean the house, or pisses you off in any way you can just back-hand her, (as long as you don’t break any bones or mark her face.) In fact, it’s okay for you to give her a good thrashing now and then to get her back into line. Why? Because it says it’s okay in the holy books of the one true religion of peace, that’s why.
Don’t worry, the bruises covering the rest of her body won’t show, because (isn’t this great!) a wife can never leave the house while showing one square centimeter of bare uncovered skin that’s not between her eyes and her chin. Which is mighty handy, in case she’s still covered with bruises from her last few disciplinary sessions. And as long as you are careful not to beat her face in, she can still go out in public to do your shopping, (while properly attired, of course).
Here’s another reason why the one true religion is better for us men. Maybe your wife just doesn’t have the old sex-appeal any more. The thrill is gone. No problem! You can remarry, and bring a second, third or a fourth wife home. You don’t have to even ask the old bat’s permission. Whom you marry is up to you and you alone in the one true religion, because you are a man! If wife-number-one doesn’t want you bringing that pretty little thing home to your bed, well too bad for wife-number-one. She has no say in the matter. You may do what you want, because you are a man!
Now, my infidel friend and prospective member of the one true religion of peace, maybe you’re not such a handsome young stud yourself any more. You’re over forty, and you haven’t exactly been working out and keeping buff. Don’t worry, that’s not a problem. Let’s say your brother has a cute little daughter, Fatima. She’s going to be turning thirteen soon. For the first eleven or twelve years of her life she was allowed the run of the block like a free-spirited little sprite. Uncovered, just as cute as a button, and sure to be one hot number once she passes through puberty.
And as luck would have it, you also have a daughter of fourteen or so (perhaps from your second wife) who is not exactly getting any younger and you want her out of the house. Perhaps she is not as pretty as Fatima, but don’t worry, your brother is not as picky as you are. That’s right! You can trade your adolescent daughter to your brother, and he can reciprocate with Fatima. What a great deal this is for us men, under the rules of the one true religion of peace. In this way, you can keep a fresh stock of nubile teenage girls in your bed until you’re too old to want them any longer. And nobody can say a word against this excellent practice, because the prophet of the one true religion explicitly condones and encourages it as one of the very best ways to find a good wife. In fact, this is how the prophet found his favorite wife of all.
But what if your bubbly thirteen-year-old niece—excuse me—bride—objects to having sex with you, simply because you are forty-five and have a gray beard down to your big stomach? Ha-ha-ha! As if what she wants matters! Trust me, she has no say in the matter, none. If you and your brother like the idea of swapping teenage daughters for child brides, that’s all there is to it, it’s settled. (Some Western so-called scientists claim that all of this marrying of close relatives has caused so-called genetic problems, but what do they know? “Genetics” are not mentioned anywhere in our holy books, so they have no importance to members of the one true religion of peace.)
And if you like the girls really young, the one true religion is definitely for you. Even nine years old is plenty old enough for marriage and full marital relations. This was old enough for the Prophet and his very favorite young niece-bride, so don’t worry about catching any flak from other members of the one true religion. If a nine-year-old bride was old enough for the prophet (when he was in his fifties), it is old enough for any male member of the one true religion of peace.
But what if that hot new child bride is not in the mood to satisfy your male needs? Those teenagers (and preteens) can be quite a handful, as we all know. Well, she’d better get in the mood, if she doesn’t want a good thrashing! Our holy books are very clear on this. But what if she still won’t receive your overtures when you want to lay a little loving on her? You have even beaten her black and blue (except on her face), but to no avail. She’s lost that loving feeling, or maybe she never had it in the first place. Some teenage brides are just like that.
Men, this part is great, you will just love it. And this goes for any of your wives, from your oldest to your youngest. Just divorce them, by saying “I divorce thee!” That’s it! No lawyers, no paperwork, no alimony. After this legally-binding divorce occurs she’s thrown out on the street, penniless and rejected by society. The witch will soon be begging on a corner. She’s not exactly a pretty sight, but lucky for us men we don’t have to see her, since she’s just a lump in a burqa, squatting on the sidewalk with only her begging cup showing. Her pitiful example will also do wonders to encourage your other wives to please you better.
Isn’t that great, men? Truly, the one true religion of peace is perfect for us.
Of course we men all understand that women are the morally weaker half of humanity. According to our holy books their inborn tendency is toward sensuality and sin. This is why we have their clitorises surgically removed when they are children. (Well, the “surgery” is usually just performed with an ordinary razor, without anesthesia while the screaming girl is held down, but you know what I mean. And they get over it pretty soon.)
Without those little sensuality-seeking pleasure spots, wives are a lot less likely to step out on their husbands. And I am very happy to report that Egypt leads the entire world in conducting this procedure, with over ninety percent of our girls prevented from experiencing unnecessary sexual pleasure due to the excision of their disgusting little pleasure-seekers. (Hmmm…why did a perfect god put these little mistakes on girls in the first place? Never mind.)
Now, some of you infidels might mention those year-by-year pictures of the graduating classes of Cairo University, with the female grads posing shamelessly uncovered until fairly recently. Long, flowing hair, right down past their shoulders! Shocking! Disgusting! But today, I am happy to report, 100% of the female graduates of Cairo U. are now wearing the hijab scarf or even the full face-covering veil. This shows that we are making true progress at containing women’s baser instincts to constantly charm, bewitch and seduce pious men.
In recent years our local women seem to have all received the message, and their lust-stoking female hair is no longer seen in public in Cairo where I live. (A little hydrochloric acid splashed in the faces of uncovered women also goes a long way toward encouraging the rest of them to understand the importance of female modesty in the one true religion of peace. Just a few burned and scarred examples will usually do the trick.)
This brings us at last to the case of Lara Logan. It was our holy day when the dictator fled and naturally the crowds on the square were in a celebratory mood. Spirits were running high. And right there in the middle was that infamous Western whore, strutting among the valiant crowds of pious men, shamelessly displaying all of her long blond hair to countless thousands of practitioners of the one true religion of peace. Why, the brazen hussy even dared to show her bare neck clear down past her collar bones!
Of course this would inflame any crowd of normal men who were pious followers of the one true religion. Long gorgeous flowing blond hair, a bare neck showing pure white skin, and bare naked collar bones! Even my grandmother understood what would happen. “Bare meat,” she would call an uncovered Western whore like Lara Logan. What else do you expect from devout practitioners of the one true religion of peace when they see “bare meat” than to try to grab some of it for themselves? After all, that’s only normal male human nature, as explained in our holy books.
(And if Lara Logan wasn’t actually a Jew, she sure was acting and dressing like one.)
Men, women are eternally devious little temptresses. It’s their fallen nature, as members of the weaker sex. Temptation can even happen at work. Suppose you see a brazen female co-worker slutting it around the office, showing her unrestrained hair, perhaps wearing a shape-revealing blouse, or tight jeans or an immodest (non-floor-length) skirt. She’s just asking for sex, dressing like that! A loose woman like that has already lost her chastity, so she is there for the taking. Bare meat, on a plate!
Maybe you are alone with her in the stock room for a while. Well, take her! She is advertising to the world that she is an immoral whore and not a properly chaste member of the one true religion of peace, so why not? And don’t worry about being charged with the Western crime of rape. Were there four male witnesses to the act? I didn’t think so! That is why you cornered her in the stock room in the first place.
In the unlikely event that she dares to bring a charge of rape without the required four male witnesses, you can just say that it was her idea to conduct an adulterous liaison, and she seduced you with her female charms. Perfectly understandable! In the one true religion of peace, a man’s testimony counts twice a woman’s, so you win! Every time!
And do you know what the penalty for her adultery will be? Being stoned to death, while buried up to her shoulders in the ground. That little possibility sure keeps the frequency of rape charges way down, so don’t worry about grabbing a piece of strange if and when the opportunity presents itself. You always win, she always loses.
Yes, it is certainly great to be a man in the one true religion of peace. My infidel friend, give it another look, while we’re still taking volunteers. Think it over, carefully. If we have to wait too long to hear from you, you might not get the same great deal. And don’t worry about consulting your wife in making your decision. Her opinion is irrelevant.
See, you are liking the idea better already.
Sincerely,
Abdul al-Anonymo
Dar al-Islam
A faithful adherent of the one true religion of peace,
given to us in perfect completion by the most perfect man in history.
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PS: The transmittal email also expressed thanks to the Government of the United States over the past two Presidential administrations for the vast military and economic support of the constitutional establishment and maintenance of Sharia law (see these five videos by Robert Spencer for background) in what we infidels refer to as Iraq and Afghanistan.
You may also be interested in a European perspective on this subject:
And for the record, following the production of that video, Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff was convicted by an Austrian court on February 15th on charges of “vilifying religious teachings”.
Do you understand yet?
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Please read and consider WWWalker’s thoughts in his comments, reprinted verbatim below, to this post:
So let me see if I understand yet.
There are links all over the “freedom” blogisphere, to include this blog just yeasterday o, to this story………………
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=180761
Hear we read:
“On Saturday night, when Mother Jones staffers tweeted a report that riot police might soon sweep demonstrators out of the Wisconsin capitol building—something that didn’t end up happening—one Twitter user sent out a chilling public response: “Use live ammunition.”
From my own Twitter account, I confronted the user, JCCentCom. He tweeted back that the demonstrators were “political enemies” and “thugs” who were “physically threatening legally elected officials.” In response to such behavior, he said, “You’re damned right I advocate deadly force.” He later called me a “typical leftist,” adding, “liberals hate police.”
Only later did we realize that JCCentCom was a deputy attorney general for the state of Indiana.”
“We saw exactly that in Egypt.
It’s illegal for a private citizen in Egypt to own a rifle. Yet there were people being sniped – shot in the head from a long distance – during the protests. Who was doing the shooting? Obviously it was government goons as they were the only ones with the requisite weapons.
Now we see advocacy of doing exactly the same thing right here in America.
An apparent government employee – a Deputy Attorney General no less – appears to have publicly advocated firing on protesters.”
Now correct me if I am wrong. Do I understand correctly that this blog and others (note entry for today at top of page titled, Quote of the Week) are advocating for individuals to continue to openly take to the streets, with or without UNloaded weapons, without cover, and make themselves a target during a protest? Even after a government employee in a somewhat powerful position advocated for the murder of people who participate in protests? After evidence has shown the willingness of other governments to murder protesters? (Or did this not actually happen in Egypt? Maybe that is not evidence, but there is this type of evidence in history.)
Have we learned nothing about government?
Are we truly so lost and unthinking that we become more willing, the worse things get, to openly, without purpose put ourselves in danger of being shot in cold blood for the opportunity to shout and “peacefully” shake empty fists, or empty gun, at those who are slowing killing us over time?
Is it not time for a new strategy?
And NO………to all who can’t think past “we got two choices”
1) “work within the system to change the system.”
2) “or shoot the bastards.”
“and we can’t do that, we must hold the moral high ground and join with the criminals in the system and work with them, we can do it, we can shout them into morality, or scare them straight peacefully”
NO, number two is not what I am advocating. But number one sure ain’t it either.
What I am advocating is……………………………….the productive withholding, righteously , peacefully what does not rightfully belong to the parasite class, looters, moochers, robbers, whatever you choose to call them. And supporting, and protecting one an others inalienable right to do so.
Yes, it will get ugly. It’s going to anyway.
THEY will come with guns, as they are doing and have been doing.
The larger numbers of, and more that the productive class withhold, the more desperate they will become. They will escalate and bring the battle to the productive. They will shed their thin veil of legitimacy in their desperate fight to hold on to their life source, what they perceive as their rightfully owned slaves.
The productive (as they do now, but with little or no support from their fellow equals) will have the right, the moral responsibility to defend themselves and their fellow producers from attack by the murderers and thieves.
This is the righteous and moral strategy that I advocate and believe has any chance of success in the battle for individual rights, and freedom.
Two quick notes:
1) Apologies in advance for sporadic moderation of comments, as I have other fish in the pan this weekend; and
2) Be thoughtful and civil in your replies, if possible.
As a boss of mine used to say, “More light, less heat.”
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Right-minded folks up for some confrontation tomorrow in North Carolina should look to the info in this post by Randy Dye.
Resist.
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“One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure — and in some cases I have — that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.”
– LtCol John Dean “Jeff” Cooper, USMC (retired)
May 10, 1920 – September 25, 2006
Just remember that Colonel Cooper is watching everything that you do, as well as everything that you do not do.
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There is a reason I have been engaged in this struggle since the beginning. It is not because I like to protest, far from it. I don’t like to put myself out there in the streets – it is unseemly. But I also recognize that I have a personal responsibility to take action where that action is obviously needed. To expect someone else to tend to my liberty or my rights is as unseemly as anything I could do, more so than protesting.
– TL Davis, A Reason To Fight
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The Trainer sends….if you agree, please post on your blogs. I know…probably preaching to the choir, but if some of the ‘choir’ will pass this along to other like-minded, but as of now totally inactive, men, we might get a few more able to survive the first big die off.
I believe time is so short that if we get through the next 4 months, we’ll have beaten the odds.
February 23, 2011 Headlines:
My Way: Greek riot police, protesters clash during strike
Market Insider: $4 Gasoline? Definitely in California, but Maybe Not for Everyone Else
NHJournal: Dem Rep to unions: Time to get ‘bloody’
The Blaze: Ahmadinejad Predicts: Mideast Unrest Coming to America
You can find numerous other headlines easily. Just go to any MSM news outlet. Wisonsin, Indiana, and Ohio haven’t even been mentioned, let alone government malfeasance such as that being brought to light by the “Project Gunwalker” investigations.
Just look at what collectivism is doing here, in OUR country! If ever a time existed that need American men to gather together to discipline themselves into a cohesive group to stop the onslaught that is ALREADY HERE and getting stronger by the day, it would be now.
Not since the War for Independence has our country seen such a multi-faceted assault on the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution! It’s time for you, yes YOU, not the man to your left or right, but YOU to emulate their example!
IT’S TIME TO MUSTER!
Find a good group in your area NOW! Go through their vetting process. Get equipped. Get in shape. The time for ‘dicking around’ is over. Read the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence again. UNDERSTAND what those documents MEAN! Turn off your television and put away the beer. You want ‘reality’? Just look outside your comfort zone.
“They” are out there. Right now. Checking you out. Checking out how to kill you. What? That’s right, “They” aren’t coming just to be “in charge”. They are coming to destroy you, me, and our entire way of life. “They” are coming now to take tactical advantage of YOUR softness!
Who, exactly, are “They”? “They” are the collectivist totalitarians disguising themselves in the many ‘isms’ of note. Jihadism, Progressivism, Fascism, Communism, Globalism. All with ‘harmless’ descriptions and innocent looks. They are promising “fundamental change”. That ‘change’ is to totally obliterate the USA and all the freedoms guaranteed by our way of life.
Put your self-concept and ego aside for once. Forget “chest thumping” or posturing. We don’t want to see or hear it. The on-going life and death struggle that is going to turn violent at any time is what is at issue. As soon as the collectivists see the opportunity to cowe YOU into submission because they believe you have NO COURAGE, they are going to strike, and strike hard. So get off the couch, get off the side-lines, and get involved. If you are an invalid, SUPPORT someone who isn’t. Be the ‘soft war’ fighter. Write letters, make phone calls, raise hell with your elected representation. If you’re physically able, GET FIT, get EQUIPPED, get TRAINED, and JOIN A GROUP!
Today! Not tomorrow, NOW!
Contemplate what you have inside you as an American man. Reach down, find what has lain dormant all these years. Reach down and tap into it. Your country needs you.
If you won’t, then may the words of Samuel Adams ring forever in your ears as an indictment:
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say ‘what should be the reward of such sacrifices?’ Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
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Two proof-points for the folks who do not yet understand that America’s flat-spin is accelerating as the ground approaches:
1) Free North Carolina brings us this video of brave public servants subduing a vicious criminal after he completes his journey by train:
2) Read all links contained in The Old Order Is Breaking Down.
Pangloss that.
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From another participant:
We survived, however, see my account of what happened….
OK, now that I have a fresh mind (ha!) I’ll expand on what happened. Our group, Restore the Constitution, decided to attend the SEIU counter protest on Wednesday, February 23… armed. We decided to test the water by openly carrying our sidearms and would then make a determination about the rifles thereafter. For those of you who don’t know, Georgians can open or conceal carry sidearms with a Georgia Firearms License (carry permit) and if you can legally own a firearm, you can carry a loaded rifle in an open manner. Please do not consider this as legal advice and thoroughly read and understand all of Georgia’s gun laws before carrying a weapon of any kind. Legal disclaimer ends…
Georgia SB-308 revised Georgia gun law to allow, at least, these two things; 1) you can open or conceal carry at a rally and 2) you can carry on state property, just not buildings where judges, congress critters, jails and similar buildings. I read the Georgia “capitol ground rules” and while they violate Georgia Law, they state you can’t be on capitol grounds with a weapon. So, we spot up across the street from the capitol with the rest of the Tea Party people. A couple of guys in our RTC group approached LEO and were told we can’t carry on Capitol ground, which we weren’t.
I was approached by Lt. Mitchell of the Capitol Police and Ben James of Georgia Department of Public Safety and told I couldn’t carry a gun where I was standing because 1) you can’t carry weapons to a rally and 2) I was on state property. I corrected the officers by citing both of their reasons for telling me to leave were stricken from GA law with the passing and signing of SB308 and they were giving me an illegal order. At one point during the “debate” I lowered my right arm, which GDPS Officer James thought was a move toward my gun and grabbed my wrist and told me not to go for the gun. I quickly corrected him saying I was not doing such a thing and that I would be one of those who would come to his aide, should he ever need it and not one to draw a gun on LEO. We then discussed the capitol ground rules that state no weapons were allowed on capitol grounds. While this is an illegal rule, we were abiding by it. However, Lt. Mitchell, in his infinite power, expanded the capitol grounds boundary well over two blocks from where the rally was. So, to “play nice” we went all the way to Atlanta Underground.
Wile at Atlanta Underground area, we decided to bring out the rifles and set up our banners and flags. Interestingly, we must have been right next to the Sheriff’s office or something because at least 8-10 deputies walked to the parking garage we were standing by and we just exchanged pleasantries and not one mention was made about the guns. Shortly before we were packing up to leave, Atlanta PD stopped by to question what we were doing. We briefed them on how the Capitol Police chased us down to where we were while protesting. The officer acknowledged what I said and reported to dispatch via radio what was going on. We’re assuming someone called 911. As a side note, EVERY encounter the RTC group has had with APD has been nothing but positive.
Another side note, Georgia State Representative Sean Jerguson, co-sponsor of SB308, was mingling in the Tea Party crowd. He stated two things; 1) the officers were completely wrong and he was going to speak with the Chief of Capitol Police and 2) he appreciated the manner in which w conducted ourselves, utilizing the new law and not getting in the face of LEO. The last thing we need is an altercation between law abiding gun carriers and LEO.
To sum things up:
1) GA State Capitol ground rules violate GA gun law
2) Our 1st amendment rights were violated by Lt. Mitchell and Officer James, see bold test below
3) Our 2nd amendment rights were violated by Lt. Mitchell and Officer James, see bold test below
This will not end here. I’m considering legal action against the Georgia Capitol Police, Georgia Department of Public Safety and whomever makes the Capitol ground rules for violating our constitution rights.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Supplemental from CA:
A Captain Boyd (?) of the Capitol Police advised me that he would not identify who in Georgia State Government gave what he described as the order that “no rifles will be allowed” in the capitol area. Captain Boyd refused to appear on camera, and refused my repeated requests for a Public Information Officer, claiming that none were available on a business weekday with massive local media coverage of a major demonstration.
At your protests this weekend, folks, bring paper, pen, and lots of cameras.
Document, document, document.
Call them on their lies.
Resist.
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