Effing Lovely


Green Mountain Homesteading links to this ACLU alert re Senate Bill 1867.

Read it all.

Make the call.

Ready to go?

UPDATE 2315 EST 26 NOV 2011: Here’s a .pdf for those who want to actually read the current language in question.

It will be important to read what actually gets enacted by both the Senate and the House, as with all legislation.

27 responses to “Effing Lovely

  1. Ah, thanks, boss, that’s what I was asking for in a post down the line. Glad you found it, CA, I don’t likes the looks of this horse at all. I am convinced if this becomes law, the shooting will start. I know one guy in Texas who is that way. Arrest even people I don’t like with this horsehockey, and the air is going to be full of gunsmoke, and I ain’t kiddin’ either.

    • The wait is over so to speak,Sean. You KNOW it’s gonna pass.
      Give the people what they want…..

      CII

  2. “Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.”
    – Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Everything King George did, was legal. And he found willing enforcers.
    Everything Stalin did, was legal.
    Everything Mao did, was legal.
    Everything Pol Pot did, was legal.
    Everything Ceaușescu did, was legal.
    Everything King Louis XVI did, was legal.

    “It’s good to be king!”
    -Mel Brooks, ‘History of the World, Part 1’

  3. When the man shows up at your door are you going to shoot him in the face then wait for the cavalry to appear to kill you?

    The line was drawn long ago and the enemy (assuming you know who that is) put his foot right up against it and keeps edging it over the line a little bit each day to where now his whole foot is over the line. You keep backing up and telling him to not come any closer but he eases further and further over that magic line. Soon his whole body will be over the line and you will continue to back up until your back is against the wall. But there is no wall behind you, just more room to back up, right into that holding cell. Then he will slam the door.

    The tyrants are already patrolling the streets, on foot and in vehicles, and they keep infringing more and more, pushing you harder and harder. They are watching your mail, your web prescence, listening to your phone, GPSing your ass everywhere you go, taking more and more of your earnings, tightening the noose all around you, cramping your style and stealing your life.

    Little by little they are pwning you til one day you wake up and you don’t belong to you anymore. You suddenly discover you belong to them, mind, heart, body and soul.

    THEN do you shoot?

    WHO is the enemy?
    Would you recognize him if you saw him?

  4. Per the bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:
    ” (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”

    ???

  5. Dang. A bill passed out of committee with no hearings. A cornspritorial person would almost have to think that the good Senators McCain and Levin don’t have the best interests of the FreeFor community at heart. Ah, them rulers, they think that they are pretty smart. I don’t think so. The law of Unintended Consequences does apply to this Senate bill. Let’s see them do it.

  6. Let’s jump to Sec 1031 first and then if anyone else wants to pore over the rest of the bill and can actually find something more ominous than this, then please post it here. In the meantime, I don’t see anything to hyperventilate about compared to some of the other bills affecting our food.

    (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

    (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

    (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
    ….snip
    (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

    (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–

    (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

    (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
    ….snip
    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

  7. So, where is my beloved Stuart Rhodes and his hypocritical Oathkeepers on this?
    DAN III,
    Pennsylvania

  8. BTW….it appears McCain is taking a page right out of obama’s playbook….create and deliver tyranny without consulting the Congress. McCain….as big a POS as obama. The only thing worse are the scum in Arizona known as citizens who put the traitor McCain right back into office AGAIN !
    DAN III,
    Pennsylvania

  9. Thanks for the link, CA.

    I myself feel that the current wording of the law can and will be perverted to whatever end some autocrat sees fit. The examples are legion.

  10. so….the storyline for some “emergency that won’t go to waste” happening in late spring, so that by late summer the elections will have to be postponed “till the emergency is over”, would be greatly enabled by this little bit of legislation. hmmmm…

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  12. Fuck ’em.

    I’m jam up jelly tight.

    Let’s get it on. I’m tired of the drama.

  13. Just waiting their arrival at the door and then….

  14. The arrival at the door will not come right away. Watch for a false flag and then the TSA blueshirts manning “safety checkpoints” throughout Amerika. Hasn’t this already started in Tennessee? They will have their laptops working as you drive through, coordinating your vehicle license with your address, work address via your utilities, and, of course, what firearms are registered to you. In the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Kalifornia it is all ready to go. As broke as CA is, it is receiving money from Homeland Security to keep the “bughouses”(agricultural checkpoints) open along the main highways that enter the state. These checkpoints are designed to funnel all vehicles through a large, multi-lane, garage-like structure where the Tax Termites ask you if you have any fresh produce. Look for these to be manned by military troops real soon. The one on US HWY 101 from Oregon was recently completely remodeled and upgraded to be self-contained in the event of a power failure, etc. It’s getting close. Keep prepping.

  15. For any Patriot contemplating cross-bordr Ops, this is getting trickier by the week.

    Kerodin
    III

  16. Why is it that I keep hearing a little voice telling me that they MUST pass the bill so then we can find out what is really in it? I don’t trust any of those clowns in DC.

  17. I hear about “registered firearms” in lots of movies and TV shows. I realize that the BATF form that must be filled out to transfer a firearm through an FFL is a kind of registration, but they haven’t yet revealed that they’re keeping a nationwide database from information pulled from those forms by BATF “inspections”, and doing so is still illegal. Some states and cities have actual registration (handguns are registered in New York State and Omaha, Nebraska, to name two off the top of my head), but most of the country still has no explicit firearms registration. There is widespread firearm owner registration, however, in the form of concealed carry permits.

    I have stated in the past that a regular stop and search site on the state border 3 miles from my house, a border that I drive across a couple of times a week, would trigger a likely suicidal attack on that site. But I’ll probably chicken out. Or fail to climb the hill providing hard-to-see access.

    I saw the section of the bill seeming to say it didn’t apply to citizens or lawful resident aliens, but a careful reading of that section may reveal a different meaning.

    “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”

    So the military isn’t REQUIRED to detain a citizen, but they’re still given the authority to do so should they desire.

    And obscurely eliminating those two paragraphs with another bit of land-mine legislation will be very easy (“Sections x & y of USC z are hereby removed”).

    What’s hardest to comprehend about these sections is that they’re an obvious declaration of civil war. Do they really want three million three percenters to start shooting? Somebody isn’t thinking straight.

  18. I’m with GardenSerf. I read the whole damn document and saw exactly nothing dealing with the expressed fears of neighborhood battlefield and 4am arrests. And I’m just as paranoid and trigger happy as the next Bitter Clinger. This bill ain’t the road to perdition unless you’re with the ACLU and worry about the rights of Gitmo or other Jihadi detainees.
    The concern I do have over this bill and every other bill proposed under the current FedGov procedure is that too many unrelated ideas of too broad a scope are packed into one bill. What I take away from the reading of this bill is not parinoia, but a deeper respect for the beauty and simplicity of the Nebraska State Constitution and Procedure for introducing, debating and passing of their state laws. One idea=one bill, 5 days of debate then vote. Of course, a system like that would actually require more work, less time for manipulating their (FedGov Legislators) investments.

  19. I only partially agree with Gardenserf. Yes, it is not as sinister as some other bills, but even the most carefully worded document can be interpreted to fit the twisted views of any usurper.

  20. Semper Fi, 0321

    Now that we agree we’re not in any danger, the next 50 more SB’s shouldn’t worry us either. After all, McCain’s a hero and a true patriot, right?

  21. Semper Fi, eternal vigilance is the watchword for the next 50 SBs. As for McCain, he may be a hero but his patriot cred is a caveat emptor proposition. Again, eternal vigilance.

  22. Time for Congress yo stop making these Chicken Shit Laws. I still have plenty of rope for the Clowns in Congress to swing from.

  23. It passed, the US government has declared war on every man, woman, and child in America.

    Here’s who betrayed us.

    “61 senator betrayed you today. They authorized, as an amendment to the Defense Authorization act, the indefinite suspension of habeus corpus. We are now officially a police state. Their names are as follows:

    Ayotte (R-NH)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Brown (R-MA)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wicker (R-MS)”