Thank God It Will Only Be Used Against The Mooslims


S1867 passes 61-37.

I sure feel safer, as Will Grigg notes.

And freer.

Right, Lee?

UPDATE 29 NOV 2011 2318 EST: See this comment below; anyone with info on what exactly was voted today and/or the status of S1867, please provide links. Thanks!

UPDATE 30 NOV 2011 1110 EST: See this comment providing additional detail on yesterday’s vote. Thanks, Bill!

(image courtesy of Bill St. Clair)

31 responses to “Thank God It Will Only Be Used Against The Mooslims

  1. Disciple of Night

    Every sword cuts both ways.

  2. The full bill will be voted on tomorrow, the vote today was to include language suspending Habeas Corpus, just like the monster Lincoln did in 1861.

    This is an open declaration of war by the US government against every man, woman, and child in America.

    Live near a base, own a store, and a soldier gives you trouble, throw him out and expect a visit and perhaps arrest by the MP’s soon after that.

    Expect more convoy practice all over your states.

    In South Carolina, we have Fort Jackson and Marine Corps Air Station, Beaufort on the coast. I expect to see or hear more from both locations soon. Fort Gordon, GA is getting a division of armor formally garrisoned at Fort Knox. Since there’s no gold there to guard, they’ve been moved into an area the US government fears more than any other.

    It’s coming folks and “they” just turned up the wick by several notches.

    The list:
    Ayotte (R-NH)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Brown (R-MA)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wicker (R-MS)

    If you don’t have your self defense tools sharpened, now would be a good time to begin.

    • Thanks, Pat. I looked at S1867 on Thomas and assumed that it had not updated yet. Do you have a link for the language which was voted today?

    • WarriorClass III

      This is a declaration of war against the American people. Every single senator that voted for it is now an enemy combatant.

      WarriorClass
      III

  3. “Remember that everything Hitler did, was legal.”
    -Martin Luther King, Jr

    “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (adminstrators) too plainly proves a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery.”
    -Thomas Jefferson

  4. Maybe Lee Greenwood will have the grace to substantially revise his lyrics.

  5. I bet Obama signs it.

  6. When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, … when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  7. Votes yesterday were on the Udall and (Rand) Paul amendments to remove the domestic military detentions from the bill. Links in each of the tally pages below to the whole bill and the relevant amendment.

    Udall: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00210

    Paul: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00211

    Notably, NH and WY senators joined the majority in voting down these amendments (though Shaheen from NH did not vote in the Paul amendment count). Both of Montana’s senators voted for both amendments. Free state barometer?

    My guess is that it will take way more balls than Obama has ever displayed to veto this, attached as it is to the year’s big military spending bill.

  8. They just killed Kenney. Those bastards! Cry havoc! Let slip the dogs of war! Here we go.

  9. I THINK (but don’t quote me on this) that the vote yesterday was to allow for consideration of the bill and any amendments. This still hasn’t passed.

    With that, let’s deal with the text of the thing. This step (if taken) is not yet, not yet, the final death knell of the Constitution. The bill explicitly excludes U.S. Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens from detention by military authority.

    Title X, Subtitle D, Sections 1032, Paragraph b:
    “(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.”

    Some folks have mistaken this bill, and its provisions, as authorizing a President to pick people off the street, and put them in military detention — without due process, without recourse to Constitutional protections or access to the courts, without review. This bill authorizes no such thing.

    HOWEVER, all of the pieces exist for such a scenario to come about — and this bill (if passed) will add to that existing framework. —

    Consider:

    (1) Both President Bush and President Obama have claimed (and exercised) the authority to “designate” any individual or organization as “terrorist”;
    (2) The State Department can, and does, issue “Certificates of Loss of Citizenship” for individuals who voluntarily renounce U.S. citizenship;
    (3) Senator Lieberman introduced in 2010 a bill (which did not pass) that would strip the citizenship of anyone designated a “terrorist” (I imagine this would be the logical next step if S1867 passes as drafted).

    S1867, together with something like Lieberman’s 2010 bill, would give plenary power to the federal Executive to: (1) designate any individual (s) or organization(s) as “terrorist”; (2) strip the citizenship of any American(s) so designated; and (3) REQUIRE indefinite military detention, with no recourse, of said individual(s).

    We aren’t there yet, but we are very close.

    Should such a series of legislative steps come to pass….

    • Actually, let me add one more thing —

      We really wouldn’t need Lieberman’s 2010 bill (or something like it) for our nightmare scenario.

      All that needs to happen is for Paragraph b/Section 1032/S1867 to be struck, and we’d have our nightmare scenario (and suspension of Habeas Corpus by definition).

      Striking such a minor provision in such a huge bill can be done with another minor provision in another mammoth bill further down the line, and with much less fuss. I wouldn’t be too surprised that in the coming economic upheavals, that step is taken.

      Jesus, I can’t believe how close we are to the American version of the Weimar Enabling Acts.

    • Mike, sadly you are wrong. The bill states (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

      No where does it say that it EXCLUDES US Citizens. It says that the REQUIREMENT to detain does not extend to US Citizens. That is not the same as saying the military SHALL NOT detain US Citizens. It is equivalent to saying the military MAY, BUT IS NOT REQUIRED to detain US Citizens. It leaves the decision at the discretion of the military, but offers absolutely no protections to US Citizens.

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  11. Mike. Read the bill again. I copied the quote from the post earlier that said US Citizens are exempt. This is not true. Everything is about wording when it comes to legal documents. Notice it says requirement. That means they don’t have to detain a citizen in military custody. It does not say exempt which would mean it doesn’t apply to us citizens. The fact that is says requirement leaves it open to interpretation that it can be applied to a citizen if they want to. I thought the same way you did until I read it a second time.

    So basically yeah we’re screwed if it goes through.

    Title X, Subtitle D, Sections 1032, Paragraph b:
    “(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.”

  12. We are in the landing craft now waters choppy and guys are starting to puke. Time for the last minute peptalks and advice. When the ramp drops get clear as fast as you can spread out and keep your lanes clear. We meet at the sea-wall……

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  14. Mike:
    You said: “…The bill explicitly excludes U.S. Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens from detention by military authority…”

    W–T–F??!!

    CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT **READ**??!!

    The Text – WHICH YOU QUOTED – EXEMPTS **NOBODY** “from detention by military authority” — rather it exempts them from the REQUIREMENT!

    In other words, it makes their detention OPTIONAL.

    A US Citizen, arrested on US territory, subject to indefinite detention BY THE MILITARY?!

    WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY **IS** THIS?!

  15. The bill does NOT exempt U.S. citizens. It explicitly mentions U.S. citizens as fair game world-wide, and EVEN within the U.S. Didn’t anyone hear Lindsey Graham? Oh, yeah, he said “al Qaeda” to make sure everyone thought they were after foreign terrorists. But the operative word here is “terrorist” and when Obama, Holder, Napolitano, et al get done with this country, everyone who disagrees with them will be a terrorist.

    I don’t think we’re counting years here, folks. The SHTF scenario is probably a few months away at most. Hope y’all have your affairs in order, ’cause it’s almost time for the new revolution to begin.

  16. Semper Fi, 0321

    Amazing how many people still try to make excuses for the fedgov and it’s policies. Denial isn’t going to buy you more time. The fukin shit has already hit the fan a long time ago. Wake the Fuck Up!!!!!

  17. The Watchman

    The TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS… We are ALL TERRORIST TO THEM….Some can try to spin it that we are “SAFE…. ITS NOT US THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR”…NICE TRY…If THEY didnot not want to dazzle us with their foot work, why is the bill 666 pages, if THEY wanted to put our minds at peace, why wasn’t the bill, like 7 pages easy to read and understand…..The bill is to AMBIGUOUS.. We be the TARGETS, when ever they feel its time……Below link is from the cbo, on HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST US…..

    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/123xx/doc12314/s1253.pdf

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  20. It will say whatever it is convenient for them to say…
    They voted for Cloture 88-12, goes to a vote
    Confusing 2 bills withe the same name
    Correct address to CBO report for S1867 is here…
    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/125xx/doc12575/s1867.pdf

  21. I had a fierce argument with several people yesterday, many who claimed that American’s were somehow exempted. Read Kopel on this bill, very enlightening for some.

    I attempted to point out that since the detention comes without notification requirements and without legal representation requirements, that how would anyone know exactly who has been picked up and who has not? Most couldn’t come to grips with that idea.

    It’s the same as the Argentinian “Disappearados” during the ruling military junta’s time in power. They simply picked people up and they disappeared, never to return. This is where we are.

    Everyone needs to go armed now.

    The US Army IS now your enemy.

    • “…The US Army IS now your enemy…”… and I think we can include the great majority of LEOs in this context as well.

  22. You know, it’s not healthy to hang on to so much anger, hatred and bitterness. I mean literally, it’s debilitating to one’s physical health-it’s stressful and it fucks with one’s quality of life. That’s why I hope they pass this shit. Because I could use a LOT of physical therapy, especially hand and finger exercises.

  23. Keep prepping everyone. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

  24. Mt Top Patriot

    Remember, Hitler said it best:
    “It is convenient to have a system of laws where everyone is a criminal.”

    The scope of the lawless disregard for The Rule of Law expands exponentially by the day by the very nature of corruption of the elites lust to retain absolute power.

  25. Remember, Hitler said it best:
    “It is convenient to have a system of laws where everyone is a criminal.”

  26. Here is a link to the 97 Senators who voted for the bill today… The RINOS AND DEMO-RATS WORKING TOGETHER… Iam getting MISTY……Even a SOCIALIST like Bernie Sanders know this is WRONG….

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-218
    Angelo