From over the transom:


The United States Militias are with you.

Do not despair, do not relent.

We welcome the removal of masks and the hardness of truth. You are not alone. We were here when it all started. We have paid in blood and tears for thirty years, as many of you now realize you will have to pay. Do not let fear drive you. Do not give up five minutes before the miracle occurs. You are not beaten until you are in the cold hard ground. Do not hide. Do not give up one inch. Go boldly into the fray with faith in your heart and a song on your lips. You, the Patriots of this age are our Sinn Fein, we need you to stand. And in standing, become the stone that can not be moved.

Find the Militia in your State, you will find a brotherhood that the Marxists and the Corrupt can not match. You will be welcomed, you will be educated, you will be trained to be an effective freedom fighter.

“We are what our forefathers envisioned, strong-willed,and self-reliant. We are the legacy they fought to build. We are not anti-government, We are anti-corruption. We are not anti-immigrant, We are pro-citizenship. We are not separatists, We are Constitutionalists. We know our history and revere it, We love our country and fear for it. We are your mechanics, and your insurance agents. Your police and your firefighters. We are your neighbors. We are Citizens and We are the Militia.”


“A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall”

Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son ?
And where have you been my darling young one ?
I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I’ve walked and I’ve crawled on six crooked highways
I’ve stepped in the middle of seven sad forests
I’ve been out in front of a dozen dead oceans
I’ve been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard
It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

Oh, what did you see, my blue eyed son ?
And what did you see, my darling young one ?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin’
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin’
I saw a white ladder all covered with water
I saw ten thousand takers whose tongues were all broken
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard
It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son ?
And what did you hear, my darling young one ?
I heard the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin’
I heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world
I heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin’
I heard ten thousand whisperin’ and nobody listenin’
I heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin’
Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
And it’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

Oh, who did you meet my blue-eyed son ?
Who did you meet, my darling young one ?
I met a young child beside a dead pony
I met a white man who walked a black dog
I met a young woman whose body was burning
I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow
I met one man who was wounded in love
I met another man who was wounded and hatred
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
And it’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

And what’ll you do now, my blue-eyed son ?
And what’ll you do now my darling young one ?
I’m a-goin’ back out ‘fore the rain starts a-fallin’
I’ll walk to the deepths of the deepest black forest
Where the people are a many and their hands are all empty
Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
Where the executioner’s face is always well hidden
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
Where black is the color, where none is the number
And I’ll tell and think it and speak it and breathe it
And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it
Then I’ll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin’
But I’ll know my songs well before I start singin’
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard
It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.


Approved by the Commanders of the following Militia Units:

Ohio Valley Minutemen – Citizen’s Volunteer Militia (OH/WV)
Tomball Militia – (Tomball TX)
South East Michigan Volunteer Militia- (MI)
Western Kansas Militia, A Co.- (KS)
Texas Lightfighters 3/5- (TX)
Northwest Washington Recon- (WA)
Georgia Militia- (GA)
South East Constitutional Militias- Charter Oaks Group- (FL)
Southern Ohio Volunteers- (OH)
Indiana Sentinels- (IN)
Illinois Sons of Liberty- (IL)
42nd Field Force, 63rd Bn Eastern Washington Light Foot Militia- (WA)
Northern California State Militia- (CA)
Miami Valley Militia- (OH)
Illinois Militia- (IL)
3rd Kentucky Volunteer Infantry-A Co.- (KY)
17th CERT/17TH SOG- (KY)
Tennessee Defense Force- (TN)
Colorado 1st Patriots Defense Force- (CO)
Allegheny Rangers Militia- (PA)

Copies sent to an additional 46 Militia Units Nationwide

70 responses to “Stand


    Will ye stand as we did on Lexington Green, formed up on that hallowed lawn?
    Will ye shoulder yer rifle and fire it true, if Redcoats come in the dawn?
    Can ye wait ‘til ye see ‘the whites o’ their eyes’, as we did on Breed’s famed Hill
    And Howe twice retreated before our fire, as result of our Rifleman skill?
    Ye’ve sworn ye’d defend yer Rights in this Land, and ye’ve answered ‘The Drum’.

    We lost a few fights in Seventy-six, but then crossed the Delaware
    And caught those Hessians by surprise in Trenton ’s village square,
    Though next year we lost Fort Ti we regrouped, and cut off Johnny Burgoyne,
    His five thousand men? He surrendered them then. Saratoga was our’n to rejoin.
    From there we purty well swept our land clean. If it’s dirtied again

    By your fireside you sit in the comforts of Home, with your family grouped all around,
    and your Rifle is cleaned and the ammo is stashed where it can be easily found.
    But it takes more than will. It takes training and skill. Have ye practiced that new-fangled drill?
    Can ye shoot the ‘Half-Mile’ using Rifleman’s guile, and also hit targets at hand?
    Then you’re ready, my Friend! We’ll meet proud in the end. But for now, lad


  2. Any units in MA?
    Yeah, I can hear the chortling now! A long shot, I know. I tried to get some folks around here together, but it seems there’s a distinct lack of courage and conviction.
    Feeling mighty lonely.

  3. The problem for most citizen s is how to identify and contact ones local militia without alerting the Gestapo. Any info regarding this matter would be appreciated.

  4. correction to email address

  5. The Liberals are sure that it is the Capitalists that need to be culled. Like Cambodia, Libs are convinced that if they just slip plastic bags over the heads those darn Conservatives and wait till they stop kicking, why everything will be coming up Roses and Skittles and Rainbows. The Black Panther Party is all for it as well. If they can put out a price on Zimmerman’s head without legal repercussions, they can do it with anyone, starting with the most difficult cases first.

    Lt. ScareCrow, Washington State Militia, “Green Mountain Boys”

  6. 11Fsteve in the desert

    Those militia groups should have a contest to see which one has the most .gov agents and informers.

    • Perhaps a better question would be,

      “How many of those .gov agencies and .Mil orgs have the most Militia sympathizers and constitutionalists in them?”

      We have to be getting OUR intel from somewhere.
      Continue to live in fear of ” .gov agents and informers”.
      That’s right where they need you to be.

      • 11Fsteve in the desert

        #1- My comment wasn’t posed as a question, therefore there is no “better question.”
        #2- Anyone who has ever worked for .gov and/or .mil knows that there are a mix of mouth breathers and freedom minded people to be found aboard just about any agency or unit. Very few of these folks are going to disobey any orders that are not egregiously unlawful or unconstitutional. They are in large part loyal to their mates, their colleagues, the people with whom they work. Their actions are driven by this loyalty. They are also interested in keeping the check that feeds their families coming in at the regular interval that they have become accustomed to.
        #3- “…OUR intel.” snort.
        #4- “Continue to live in fear…” Where on God’s green earth did you get the idea that I am living “in fear” because I recognize that there are considerable funds, .gov resources and personnel dedicated specifically to monitoring identified groups like those listed. Like yours.
        When the trouble begins, THEN, and only then, will you see who is who.
        #5- This is not a game.

    • It doesn’t matter on informants. When it goes bad there will be no government so the Informer will be just like everyone else. Screwed unless you are personally prepared. Just keep to the law of the land while there is still law in the land and you’ll be ok.

  7. Southern Ohio Volunteers did not approve this document.

  8. Yeah, I might be interested except for what 11F Steve and PHKelly wrote

  9. Mac, speak to QP, I have his number if you need it.

  10. G-ddammit! Did some of you NOT hear the message?



    Do! Not! Despair!

    Or fucking hide, either.

    Stick it in the Enemy’s sauron eye!

    The more of us that STAND, out in the open, the more the enemy is diminished. They can’t get us all… do you think there won’t be casualties????? Do you think you can slink on through to the other side???

    Our fellow Americans, those that are living in fear and doubt, need more than anything to know that they are not alone, that there are still those who will fight and die for Founding Principles.

    Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way!

  11. And, wow! Back in the day we thought Bob was talkin’ about veetnam…

    Read that last verse carefully. Prophecy indeed:

    I’m a-goin’ back out ‘fore the rain starts a-fallin’
    I’ll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest
    Where the people are a many and their hands are all empty
    Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
    Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
    Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
    Where the executioner’s face is always well hidden
    Where black is the color, where none is the number

    Where to stop quoting?

    Let us limit the fulfillment of this tragic scene to the uttermost of our courage.

  12. Recall the words of Thomas Paine from his Revolutionary pamphlet, The American Crisis:

    “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

  13. Semper Fi, 0321

    Well said, Aesop
    From a former Walking Dead, Happy Birthday!

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  15. without offending the big guns here, some of you guys seem to be missing the point. if you’re thru ‘splaining why this can’t be done, let me show you how we’re doing it.

  16. Whoa…what’s this, Aesop? Is the point that there’s no force that can stand up to the US military, as it currently stands? If that’s it, that seems sorta obvious.

    Lemme ask a simple question—What does that have to do with anything? Specifically, what does it have to do with various citizens militias declaring that they’re prepared to stand up for their neighbors?

    Believe me, I understand the difference between declaring and doing. I know what the early “Michigan Militia” did and didn’t do; the former list is much shorter than the latter one. I’m not disputing you that it’s much easier to say than do. I’m saying that the past is not the future and we’ve NEVER been down this road before. “The US military, as it currently stands,” is a ton different than, “the US military as it will stand when this country goes full tyranny.” Hard to say which way the intel, let alone allegiances, will go then, right?

    Really, I wanna know this—what do YOU want? We went through this at AM’s place and you yourself acknowledged that what you want isn’t what’s going to happen. Alright then…so what’s next? Didn’t you two pros agree that “you work with what you got”?

    Well, what you got is a group of militias declaring what they declared above. So what’s wrong with THAT? I think the best you can offer is that “can not match” is a little misleading if taken in the military sense, but it was used to modify “brotherhood,” which technically makes it correct. But besides details like that, what the hell is wrong with it? Apparently you see something I don’t see, and I’m very interested in what.

    And just for the record, this is not an endorsement. I believe the battle has ALWAYS been between individualism and collectivism, and the declaration is too collectivist for my tastes. But then, I have very tough standards. I still don’t see what’s wrong with THEM declaring what THEIR judgments are, nor do I see those judgments as any particular threat to me or my society. Am I wrong about that? If so, how?

    Here’s yet another way to word it. Today’s the day to honor men and women who put it all on the line for what they believed to be right and just. What is there in that declaration that (I think) makes you believe these folk are doing anything different?

    • As usual, a great read Aesop. I’d say a lot of what you write about here can apply to most groupings of most people in most contexts. But then, I see nothing but individuals out there and no matter the field, some are competent and some are not. And yep, there seems to be a tendency for each to be attracted to the same.

      Though frankly, I’m not sure what any of that has to do with the declaration.

  17. The financial collapse will usher in anarchy. There will be no government. They will be irrelevant. The fight will ensue over the remaining supplies between those that have nothing and those that have something. Winner take all. After the smoke clears, however long that takes, whoever is left standing will start over. Just decide where you want to be before, during and after then make a plan for it and implement it. Militia may or may not be in your plans. But if your plans don’t include any upheaval then it isn’t a plan at all but just wishful thinking. Somebody pass the marijuana…

  18. Wow. Something slipped into his ass. Have a drink for me Aesop

  19. Tend to agree, despite Aesop’s slick subversions. I’m a loner anyway, and will avoid the Potbelly Patrol until things shake out a bit. Whatever’s left after a few weeks’ violent conversation with the Regime should then be pretty much purged of informers/provocateurs and – if still among the undead – I’ll go looking for some kindred souls.

  20. Three things:

    1) In its purest sense, we are all militia, from the youngest kid to the grandma in her rocking chair. Whether you hump a pack and rifle or figure out how to get those guys a meal and a shower or collect intel or open eyes to reality, everyone participates. Either this, or it isn’t a militia, but merely the latest in a series of armed gangs claiming Authoriti. The only mental disconnect is how many of your friends and neighbors have woken to the fact that they, too, are militia. Until you can reach that common consensus, you do not have a militia yet, you have a cadre (which is a good thing). Time and circumstances will push this evolution forward.

    2) There is no reason for a call to action at this point. Nothing has changed. R was not your savior, and O is not your enemy, nor are the people who voted for him, nor are the people who want free stuff, nor are the people performing legitimate .gov functions. Some of these people may be dangerous, no doubt, but that doesn’t mean they are the enemy. The true enemy of all of us, including the enemy of those people, too, remains well hidden and protected behind layers of social inertia drummed into us since early childhood.

    (oh, and all of those “bad people” have a right to their militias, too, as long as they, and you, stay within due bounds. Failing to appreciate this concept requires the same logic as used by gun-control advocates.)

    3) You will likely never get a chance to fight our common enemy directly. Instead, the best most of us can do is to prepare our community, that is, our militia, to make it through what is coming. What exactly that is, none of us knows for sure. But, given the nature of our common enemy, the bad times will start (continue?) by pitting as many of us against each other as possible, as individuals and as groups, so that they, in their much smaller number, may benefit from the strife. Sit back, watch, and be informed.

    You will know what the battle is when it comes to a neighborhood near you. I highly recommend that you don’t go out looking for, or causing, trouble. There will be plenty to handle as it is when the time comes. And remember that your boy Washington himself warned against tangling alliances. Perhaps he also understood the ways and means of that enemy even that long ago.

    • Another Anon

      Thanks Tom for these words of wisdom.

      Let me add something , a lot of guys here think they are the Wolverines or Roger’s Rangers. Some of you are. For the rest of us, there is plenty to do legal. non violent and can be in the right times can save and preserve who and what we love. I am doing my part? Are you?

      Think stuff like talking a trusted friend into a salting away a few supplies “man, after that east coast super storm, looks like a good idea to put aside a little” and keeping in touch can make more of a difference than all the .223 bought on the net.

      Start small and remember connections don’t have to be “war now” they just have to be tight enough for Der Tag if it comes.

      Like an HR buddy of mine put it “I can train skills, I can’t train attitude”

      Get that and you can win.

    • “O is not your enemy”. Of course you are referencing the Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 violator and usurper to the United States Constitution, the illegal soetoro-obama, are you not ?

      “O is not your enemy”. He most certainly is….from his coordination with Holder and Napolitano on the crimes of Fast and Furious, to his unconstitutional executive orders, to his bailouts of GM and green companies to his attacks on the right to Keep & Bear Arms, to his bowing and scraping before kings and Muslim royalty to his appointments like van Jones and the communist Jarrett. Need I go on ?

      “O is not your enemy” is about as ignorant of a statement as one arguing that a toll by a .gov agency is not a tax.

      Baugh….perhaps the illegal soetoro-obama is not YOUR enemy but he most certainly is mine and the enemy of those who embrace freedom and liberty.

      “Words of wisdom” another individual remarked on your comment. “Wisdom” is like “beauty”….it is in the eye of the beholder.

      “O is not your enemy” is one rediculous statement if not downright inflammatory.

      DAN III

      • “O is not your enemy”. Of course you are referencing the Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 violator and usurper to the United States Constitution, the illegal soetoro-obama, are you not ?

        “O is not your enemy”. He most certainly is….”

        Dan III, I couldn’t agree more. He is the face, the mouthpiece and the sock puppet (but I repeat myself) of The Enemy, therefore he is The Enemy.

  21. Rick at 00:38 nailed it. Prep up and tribe up. If you are close to MUY’s MOVE, or have a fall back bol.

    Bracken is an oppomist!

  22. Hey, maybe if fhe American consumer and their beloved, career politicians had not sold our economic soul to the Red Chinese and the gods of “free trade” me thinks CA wouldn’t have posted this essay today.

    So as you folks whine about the terminal state of our economy and our head first dive into the global economy, just take some time and research our trade laws and treaties….GATT, NAFTA, PNTR and others. Look at what “free trade” has given America. You have no one to blame for our freefall into socialism and a despotic third world nation than yourselves and your parents. Mine included.

    Americans awaken !

    “There Are Enemies Amongst Us”

    • DAN III-

      Read this.

      I am assuming, however, that you are open for rational discussion on the matter.

      Chinese imports are, as Mr. North details, relatively marginal to the US economy overall. One would do as well to advocate boycotting foreign petrochemical products. Digging deeper reveals that the consumer cannot do that; it is ver difficult to know which refinery feeds your gas pumps, and if you knew that, you’d still have to find out where that refinery’s feedstock originated from.

      It’s a similar situation with “American made” cars, steel, rubber, plastics, and computers, too.

      You know these things are made of components that originate from non-American sources, so why do you choose to buy them? Your strident idealism would seem to demand that you refuse to buy such things, even if “necessary”, as people who do these atrocious things are singlehandedly responsible for the collapse of the US.

      While someone deciding to advocate protectionism is fine with me- it’s just an opinion, after all- making broad, sweeping non-sequitur arguments as you have been doing on this matter is just plain silly.

      Americans’ purchasing decisions’ effects on the economy are dwarfed by numerous foreign wars, government expansion, and one domestic industry that is almost wholly and completely made, in its modern iteration, in the good ole USofA:


      You’re worried about Chinese imports and Chinese loans to America?

      News Flash- The Federal Reserve owns FAR more US debt than China. <i<Far More.

      And the Fed is American made, too.

      And I won’t get started on the silliness of supporting “American” unions, organizations that are pushing harder than nearly any other for American Marxism. They’re actually pretty safe, though. They can always rely on good-ole-made-in-USA Marxist bailouts to keep their coffers full. That, Dan, is the true and logical fruit of protectionism.



    • 11Fsteve in the desert

      This posting is cogent, salient and topical. This blog gets high marks for its sensible and rational approach.

    • It’s lose not loose. Come on it’s too easy.

    • By all means, if you don’t want to join a standing Militia START YOUR OWN. Gather to train with family and friends. Find local ex-mil folks and invite them. Resist by any means.

      Militias are by nature local, most serving a single county or town.
      Some are state wide organizations with hundreds of members. Most
      follow some kind of military rank structure, others are simply
      Militant Preppers who band together to train. The one thing that
      identifies a true militia (as opposed to a select militia, armed
      vigilantes, or gang) is an adherence to the Constitution. Many are
      strict constructionists using only the original draft and bill of
      rights as a moral compass. In spite of the similarities every
      Militia stands apart and is different, simply because of the
      varied nature of the Patriot/Liberty Movements. Most live quiet unobtrusive lives, abiding by the law until there is no law. (coming soon to a city near you). Those that are easily led or stupid end up as the low hanging fruit and are plucked up the APs,CIs and traps mentioned above.

      Some groups allow anyone to join with no background checks, others
      vet members rigorously. Some are made up primarily of ex-LEO and Mil. Others are mostly civilians or farmers/ranchers. Our unit here is about half ex-mil and half regular folks. I started recruiting neighbors and friends, then family. Then I branched out and passed out some cards at the gun range and gun shows. If you join a similar group and it feels off, if anyone acts shady, then by all means walk away. We are volunteers.

      Our original CO was an SF ODA vet of South America. You make due with what you have. Name calling and detractors aside, MOST militias I know are lead by and filled with ex-mil. Two of the units on the list are led by “Silent Professionals”, three are led by “Devil Dogs”, One new unit in KY is staffed by former “Screaming Eagles”. So believe what you want, join or start your own. Tribe is what will matter in the coming struggle and most Militias are simply pre-organized tribes.

      It took four years of meetings, face to face dinners, interviews
      and headaches to get to where we are now. (12 members and
      families). During that same time period about as many have joined
      and then left for a variety of reasons. (Work, Fear, Angry Wives etc)
      During that four years over half our Musters have focused solely on
      SUT and basic skills. Still I am no soldier, and I have no desire to go
      toe to toe with any regulars. However I would put my guys up against
      any trailer trash looters or urban gangbangers who wandered into our AO. (Appalachia) with a high degree of confidence.
      But, I have no illusions about our general fitness level or skill level.

      I just keep pushing on, even when it seems like the most thankless,
      worthless, unrewarding job on the planet. Add to that the constant
      threat of LEO violence against my home, legal attacks by the gov
      (IRS etc). And I am sure you can see that it is a pain in the ass
      to run a group. Everything I know came from our original CO, Manuals,
      and adapting common sense woodcraft skills with marksmanship.

      In spite of all that, I still do it. I serve for my kids and my
      community. I serve for the ideals that this country were founded
      on, but mostly I serve because no one else will do the job. If you
      start a group and invest the time, resources and mental energy in
      getting a unit functioning, there IS a peace of mind that comes
      from knowing you will not stand alone when the time comes.

      So if you fear the Feds will entrap you, or you don’t trust your unit members, or you have a history of legal problems, or any one of the thousand other reasons to stay home or go solo, then take the path that works best for you.

      The original letter was one of support for the Patriot community from some Militias who have gone public. Not a call to arms, not a put down of anyone who chooses not to join.

      • 11F steve in the desert

        Well stated. Godspeed, OVM.

      • I admire your dedication and ambition.

        Please take this the right way, but I would be more careful about the information you choose to put online though. You didn’t even make “them” work for all the information you just posted.

        • They have already “worked” all of that info. Nothing there that violates opsec or persec from our standpoint. If you are a public militia that openly recruits from the community, you will be checked out.

  24. Any contacts for SE Washington or Portland, OR area?

  25. We are with you. Commander, Wisconsin State Militia… III%ers.

  26. III% Militia… Wisconsin… Here is the link to the national org.

  27. OVM: “Many are strict constructionists using only the original draft and bill of rights as a moral compass.”

    OVM, how does that work, exactly? Slavery was permitted under the original draft and Bill of Rights. Explicitly. Does slavery fit into their “moral compass”.

    Even the neo-confederates don’t support the re-imposition or modern legality of slavery.

    Seems a strange position for a “Constitutional” militia to take. After all the Constitution was designed to be amended.

  28. Recent interview with the founder of the Michigan Militia and the another fellow who is head of the Alaska Militia.

  29. What kind of idiotic crap is this? –> “Does slavery fit into their “moral compass”. Do you even live in the 21st century?

    Straw man much?
    Here is the answer to your obviously race baiting question.
    Slavery is theft by forced labor. The initiation of that force against another
    would invalidate any claims to morality.

    “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others.” PERIOD.

  30. Both side of the equation represented here which is good. This debate needs to happen with both sides open to movement in their positions.

    At its intelectual basics I am very much a proponent of the “militia”. Its the execution to this point that has been a problem. There are some groups that have made the correct moves and are a success. Typically they do not use the name “militia” or focus purely on “tactical” matters. Those groups are ffew and far between.
    The brand “militia” is tainted. There is nothing that can be done about that taint at this point. Maybe if we had 5 or 10 years to rebuild the brand there could be national success but at this point that rebuild can only take place at a lcoal level. The very term conjurs up images just like Aesop painted. The media has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars putting together that image and it does not matter if your specific group is nothing like it or not. You are in that mold if you use that term or even try to lable yourself with a military unit like name.

    So drop them. Drop the term and drop the unit designation. I like the concept that some fellows in my AO are using. “Team xxxx” where x is some kind of name like Wildcat or Badger. Keep it generic and a bit less military sounding. Drop the military ranks and just use something like Team leader and Assistant team leader. If you really want to mess with them use the same structure as FEMA (ICS). One it gives you a structure that is actually somewhat functional (surprisingly ICS at a low level is not bad). It also gives you the position that you are working within the system.

    Thats really just window dressing if you dont actually get out and train on a consistant basis. You also need to be doing community outreach, recruiting and fundraising. If you want an example visit your local Boy Scout troop when they are going out on a winter camp out. Odds are they do all of these things better than your group is even thinking about right now. Just because your group is carrying firearms into the woods does not make that statement untrue. In fact one of the ways to weed out the deadwood from your group is to take away the firearms from the equation for a while. Explain that the group needs to focus on a lot of other things and not just shooting or tactical training. When participation drops you will know who is serious and who is just looking to play soldier.

    Your groups right now have a lot of issues, the good news is that its correctable. The bad news is that you will never be a shining example on a national stage of how it should be done because they will not let you be that.

    • Colorado Pete

      Grenadier is right on the winter stuff. Wanna get down to brass tacks on who is serious without getting into the ‘incoming!’ test, do a ‘recreational’ winter backpack (NOT car camping) over a 3-day holiday weekend. 50-60 lb. packs, snow, snowshoes (less likely to break a leg than X-C skis), hills, COLD. Good for weeding out clothes and heavy/unnecessary/useless gear, good for adjusting attitudes too. When they stop sniveling, start operation efficiently enough to be able to do so without much thinking about it, and start liking it you’ve gotten somewhere.

      • Colorado Pete

        Oh, and AP’s site section “Staying Warm” is priceless advice. Did a yearly winter backpack for a long time in my youth, good stuff.

    • “Even the Leftist media, for all its faults, didn’t dress a bunch of geriatric moron military wannabee misfit f*ckups in cammies ,and tell them what to say and do.”

      True enough, but it’s still a subset that we see…whether by the choice of the media or the choice of the groups themselves. I’d guess there are about as many types of militia groups–in motivations and skills–as there are such groups, basically.

      And I still don’t get what any of this has to do with the declaration itself. If your only point is, “Some people talk out their ass,” then I doubt anyone disputes that. If your point is that it might mislead some people into some false sense of security, then I’d sure like to see one of ’em. I doubt over-confidence is to be found anywhere on the side of the Angels.

      You’re a joy to read, but I never quite get the point.

      • Bad press? That’s funny, considering that the vast majority of Americans think only nutcases talk about individual liberty.

        But alright, you don’t like militias. I disagree for various reasons, plus I figure that what the next guy does is no skin off my back…assuming he’s got any aim at all.

        That leaves only my question, so I’ll ask it one last time—WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE DECLARATION?

        • There you go again—always against the man (or men), and never against the principles or ideas. I thought you agreed with CA that you wouldn’t do that any longer.

          I’ve got exactly one podium, mine. And I don’t give a shit what others do with their podium, since that’s all talk. When they declare that they intend to threaten or harm me and mine, then I care.

          Here’s the FACT, Fancy-Talker. There is not a drop of threat to me or mine in that declaration and there IS more than a drop of threat in what they are standing against. That’s it—you can talk about what a farce they are, or that they’ll never accomplish their goals, whatever. I don’t care about that; I only care that they wish to live as men and this is what they believe. Whether I join ’em or not, standing up for what you believe is NOT a farce.

          Indeed, it’s quite a farce that you say it is.

    • No doubt,
      someone has to be the idiot.

  31. Thank you for posting the video. It was very helpful.


  33. Annon - Seacoast

    Any contacts for NH, particularly southeast?

  34. So Aesop, tell us why WTC 7 fell?