Grid


Explained.

The report.

Know that the Bad People will false-flag on this vector, both to spread chaos and to stir popular resentment towards the Resistance.

Don’t expect grid power.

24 responses to “Grid

  1. Bruce Sterling used the phrase “structure hit” as a metaphor for the systematic destruction of links in the technological network of electrical power in his novel “Heavy Weather”. His characters especially enjoyed using thermite and goat-cheese explosives (GMO goats perfect for insurgents) on high voltage power transmission towers.

    They can’t be guarded at any reasonable cost. Trying to guard them will be an impossible task, like trying to guard a pipeline in Nigeria. Repair crews and their equipment will need heavy infantry securing the neighborhood to do the job, and it will be re-wrecked as soon as the security detail leaves.

    If you want to have electrical power on a steady basis, you will make it, store it, and conserve it, without commercially-imported/refined fuels, natch’.

    Got dried wood and a thrifty rocket mass heater?

  2. And of course, to deny FreeFor electrical usage and the attendant advantages. In this scenario, those generators running and belonging to OPFOR at mind splitting decibels, while the rest of the population is quiet, are going to present a tempting target of opportunity. If Custer had had radio, he MIGHT have been able to extract himself. If OPFOR is denied their radio, they might wind up like him. Denying OPFOR of radio and other communications could be decisive, in the coming Troubles. Yes, I know, they work on batteries. Denying them electrical power cannot help but to degrade their combat effectiveness, at many levels. Attacks concentrating on their radio commo will further lower morale, and prove useful in adding to their problems. Imagine infantry and cavalry, without artillery and air support. Imagine a Battalion Commander, unable to find out where C Company is, or what they are doing.

  3. I am imagining the loss of power to a major metro area for more than a few days and the ensuing chaos that will cause. Especially if that loss is targeted at the Zombie population. I am trying to decide if I like the results or if they would domino into something more unpredictable. If the OpFor decides to move in this manor as CA says they will blame us anyway. Would we gain enough by initiating at our own pace?

  4. Its called a thought exercise. Your objections are noted. There wrong but they are noted.

  5. Colorado Pete

    Tangential to the post:
    Look up ‘gasification’. Making combustible vapor fuel from burning ‘biomass’ (wood, cow pies, grass, etc.). Apparently this was used a great deal during WW2 by civilians running cars, tractors, etc. when diesel/gas was rationed. You should be able to run a multi-fuel generator off it.

    Something to help you survive grid-down or get off it completely…and if your home is plumbed with natural gas for the stove/water heater/furnace, it might be able to supply those needs also if the appliances will operate with it.

    • Cassandra (of Troy)

      Colorado Pete/26Nov12@19:38,

      Something like that was discussed in the old SURVIVE magazine, not the generator/vehicle angle so much as buying property w/ a commercially unproductive gas well that has enough output for home & possibly vehicle use. The advent of fracking may disallow that scheme as (fwiu) that method’s re-opened such fields, but imo it’s still something to investigate & so is biomass fuel production as in Thunderdome. People laughed at the concept, but it’s actually a well proven system which many are already partially using when they compost their grass/leaves/organic garbage.

      Stinky yes, relatively troublesome too, but it does work so why not use it?

      Cassandra (of Troy)

  6. I seem to recall Christmas day 1983 – 4 in Bowliing Green,KY where it got down to 5 below zero and one of the main transformers blew. The destruction of -5 with 12 to 15 hours of power failure made for a LOT of damage. Frozen pipes all over town made for a real mess. I can’t even to think what it would be like if someone were to sabotage segments of the grid just when the temperatures plunge. Considering the damage in NYC & NJ, just imagine a 10 state power failure during the worst weather.
    Boy Scout Motto: BE PREPARED

  7. I pay a lot of attention to this since I was a lineman in the service (USAF Prime Beef, not pink ponies) Seen alot of info about this subject recently. Given the amount of underinvestment and Wall Street robbing the profits, brownouts are going to be a regular occurrence anyway. Might was well get used to it.

    From the terrorism angle, these guys really underestimating the scope of the problem. Dropping the Highline towers requires alot of effort & high explosives, pretty stupid when taking a 22 to various insulators, arrestors, jacks etc along the lines and then waiting for mother nature to do the rest (ice, wind, rain). Doesn’t take much to break porcelain. If it was planned a few days before a major thunderstorm, all hell would just break loose and it would just be weather related damage. Not to mention what a bunch of teenage kids jumping the fence on a substation and opening the drain valves on the transformers, regulators and OCBs would do….the EPA (OIL SPILL, POSSIBLE PCBs!) and circuit overload would shut things down for the bad guys, no high explosives needed. In the NE, you could also add unions given the recent news on Sandy. The whole grid is vulnerable, in the early days each city would have its own power plant and area with emergency tie ins to other areas. Not anymore, any redundancy has been eliminated by the six sigma types, who also BTW view inventory as waste, hence the shortage of poles recently.

    Exactly one crack? Its getting ready to be part of the American Way of Life, whether we like it or not.

  8. No, Aesop. Chaos is our Friend. It’s the Gubmint that will have “failed to protect” the Grid. The cities will go ballastic, with the black, brown, yellow, and white divisions of the FSA at each others’ throats in a matter of hours.

    • NO, I am sorry we were looking for Precision strike, not Sledge hammer.
      Thanks for playing along we have some lovely parting gifts, try the home version of 4G Guerrilla. Good night everyone!

      • Maybe if you spent less time thinking up replies filled with snappy analogies and more time reading the posts you might see that no one suggested anything about “toppling the power grid”. What was being discussed was a long term power outage to a limited size specific area. Maybe your just not aware but Commercial power networks can be segmented into much smaller sections and shut down confining the outage to specific neighborhoods.
        Again this is a thought exercise to get folks thinking about strategic goals and terrain analysis not specifically how you tactically accomplish said outage. If you dont want to contribute thats fine move on. Otherwise cut the negative wave bullshit Moriarty

      • “Or perhaps you’ve cooked up a machine that only stops power from going to the ‘bad people’?”

        Actually, men already came up with that, a long time ago. It’s called an “electric bill,” but it too was usurped.

    • Once the Grid goes down, the “general population” isn’t going to “see” anything. Screw “Hearts and Minds”. The cities, where the FreeShitArmy concentrates, must be destroyed. Taking down the Grid will be a vital Step One. Aesop, your paralytic fables grow tiresome…and transparent.

  9. Cascading failure:
    Systems inherently have critical points. These critical points are not always the most obvious.
    The basis of a cascading failure is the breakdown of a critical point that is not the most obvious in the system.
    This breakdown causes subsequent points in the system to fail as they are overloaded.
    A domino effect propagates through the system and shuts it down completely.

    It would be a failure of logic to assume that the “system” has to be a single closed loop network.
    The system can be a series of networks all interdependent or all requiring the support of a single network.
    In our example here.
    The food supply system.
    The banking system
    The EBT card system
    The social security system
    All require the support of the local power grid.
    Many of these networks do have back up power systems but they are in place to bridge the gap till restoration of commercial power.

    So as I said as a thought exercise would a longterm shutdown on commercial power produce a strategic gain?
    Maybe the outcomes are too unknown to make it a productive method.
    Maybe it could only be productive if the outages were confined to small areas.
    Would the resulting unrest from loss of these systems produce the desired outcome in a target audience? That target audience being suburban fence sitters. Would the resulting unrest demonstrate the fragility of the current situation effectively to the audience without further input from a media campaign?

    • Colorado Pete

      A strategic gain, but to what strategic end? Mosby says that the main thing a resistance shouldn’t do is tick off the general population. Crashing the grid in widespread fashion (no matter which side does it) will most certainly tick off the population, and if the regime can successfully blame the resistance truly or falsely, they win the PR battle, and the g’s lose the general support they desperately need to win (or appear to be not losing).

      This looks to me like a bigger negative than any positive results gained by making the population recognize situation fragility, whatever you mean by that.

      Grid crashing in a local area might be a useful tactic for hindering the Opfor’s operations, but that’s all I can see for it.

      • Good questions,
        This goes back to terrain analysis. Think of your local metro area as a series of concentric rings. At its core are the Really wealthy liberal types who have to live downtown to get all the culture. Next out are a ring of FSA. They live here because they have too. Its close to the government offices that they get their resources form and public transportation is available to carry them to the other locations they need to be at. Next out is a ring of Urban dwellers. They are a mix of those who cannot afford to live downtown and yet still want to be “in the city” and people who have lived there long enough that the city came to them and passed them by. Some of them are FSA some of them are supporters of the Marxists and some are just trapped. Some of them are on our side and plan on getting out when things go down. Next ring out are the Suburbanites. Complete mixed bag of people here. and on and on. The audience is that ring of Suburbanites. Many are still sitting on the fence because they dont know any better or have not given it any thought. Most of those inner rings are already lost and you will not win their support. They are for the most part the enemy.
        The goal is to demonstrate to those suburbanites the failure of the system and to convince them that looking toward those inner rings for guidence and support is completely the opposite of what they need to be doing. They need to be looking to the outer rings of rural dwellers and the self reliance that is systemic in that population.
        So given that analysis anything that is done should be done to further that goal. If a local power outage that presists causes unrest in one of those inner rings it is an example to the outer rings to think about self reliance. How large that unrest is would determine how big a lesson it becomes. If you couple that event with a massive independant media campaign then you guide those fence sitters to ask themselves the questions you want them to ask.
        What would I do in that situation?
        What can I do to supply my own power needs?
        Why do I have to get my power from a very vulnerable grid system?
        They answer those questions correctly and they begin the process of thinking independance.

        • Colorado Pete

          Could be. Investigate the results of the great NYC blackouts in the sixties and seventies for what to expect.

        • Once again thanks for playing. You continue to not pay attention. This is not about a wide scale power failure. I asked the questions to get people to think about a strategic goal and the process of setting that goal. Once the goal is set asking questions about how to achieve that goal.
          You continue to focus on city wide power failures and catagorically dismissing it because you think its a carpet bombing concept. Thats not the concept we are discussing, no one every spoke of a city wide commercial power shut down. What was suggested was a very local (like a 1 square mile area) shut down.
          I live within 60 miles of a major metropolitan area. I grew up here. You think I dont know what neighborhoods the “bad” people live in? I know these areas inside and out and I know the evolution of its demographics. It absolutly does conform pretty closely to the rings I modeled. I didnt read about that in some college paper theory. Thats from personal experiance. Is it a rock solid depiction of every person in an area? No but its not intended to be. Its intended to give a model and a concept that generally fits. Its intended to be a starting point that can be refined as more information is gathered.
          Your still looking at this through the glasses of a classic “terrorist”. This is way beyond that. I didnt make any suggestion that a group shut down power and then race to the local media to claim responsibility for it. This is purely about system disruption and taking advantage of that disruption. it really does not matter what causes the disruption provided its significant enough to become widely acknowledged. That is not the goal, the goal is to communicate to those willing to listen that they cannot depend on government to support them. That message has been spoken of for a long time and people failed to pay attention to it. They need concrete demonstrations of WHY. Images of people lined up demanding the government give them goodies because the power is out would provide an example. If those people lining up get a little violent and burn a few cop cars that makes it even more of an example. A group prepared to blanket the suburbs with information that uses that example and provides a solution is the real focus of the action.

        • Colorado Pete

          Aesop, you said:
          “Fear and adrenaline make people deaf and stupid, not receptive. They listen best when they feel happy, safe, and comfortable.”

          Actually my experience with adults (as opposed to school children) is that when adults are in the ‘happy, safe, and comfortable’ zone, that is when they listen LEAST. Why? Because they are in a good state and see no need to listen, especially about upsetting things. That would make them think outside their cozy little cradle. It’s when they’re dumped out of the cradle onto the cold concrete floor, and all their cozy assumptions are smashed like glass on rocks, that (after the initial shock and scare fade) they might actually realize the world has changed and they have to start facing a new reality. THEN you might get the smarter ones to listen.

          • JoseyWales3633@yahoo.com

            I was thinking the same thing, Pete.

            As far as school goes, as a kid if I was happy and comfortable in the classroom, I wasn’t learnin’ smack. I was crackin’ jokes’ or flirtin’ or sleepin’. That’s why the teacher tells you to shut up and sit up straight and pay attention.

            Maybe Aesop has never been to basic training or boot camp or any other intensive military course. Anyone that has will tell you that everything learned was hard and fast. And you weren’t happy or comfortable (and often times not “safe”) when you learnt it. Fear and adrenaline made you learn things, quick.

            Anyway, soon enough there’s a pretty good chance we’ll have all the fun we can handle without us havin’ to do anything to egg it on.

  10. Cassandra (of Troy)

    Perhaps a review of the following may be useful to the discussion.:

    Soft Targets

    Cassandra (of Troy)

  11. Cassandra (of Troy)

    Grenadier1,

    As Colorado Pete’s essentially saying the same thing Aesop did, I’m wondering why you went after the latter w/ hay hooks then conducted a reasonable discussion w/ the former.

    Cassandra (of Troy)