WRSA State Of The Union Forum: Where We Are, How We Got Here, & Where We Are Going

UPDATE 1500 EST 5 FEBRUARY 2013: Many thanks to our panelists and our audience. To accommodate folks, we are going to keep the comments going through tomorrow at least and the end of this week at the latest. Moderation will be as frequent as we can make it.

Please make sure to consider purchasing our participants’ books (if you haven’t already). You will find them all well worth your time and study.


I am deeply indebted to our panelists today, who have taken time from their busy lives to share their thoughts on America, circa 2013, with the WRSA readership. Comments are enabled through midnight tonight and will be moderated as quickly as possible during the interactive portion of this exercise, which will end at approximately 3 pm est today. Folks on East Coast time should remember that some of our panel is in different time zones.

They are (in utterly random order):

David Codrea (DC): David is a Field Editor for GUNS Magazine, writes the National Gun Rights Examiner column and blogs at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance. He is a twenty-plus year veteran gun rights advocate. If he wanted to be successful, he’d be writing about Justin Bieber and Kim Kardashian.

Mike Garand (MG) and Jack Lawson (JL) are former Special Operations unit combat veterans who were involved with rapid response Airborne and Heliborne Counter Insurgency Units, overseeing perimeter protection, training and providing bodyguard services in conflicts of Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan. They are the authors of “A Failure Of Civility”, a “how to” guide to protecting you, your family, your neighborhood, your community, and America in time of disaster and civil unrest.

Mike Garand holds a Bachelor of Arts Degree and a Master of Science Degree in Urban Studies with an emphasis on Criminal Justice. He has spent much of his life in the U.S. Military as a Marine and Special Forces Soldier and is retired from the U.S. Army Reserve. He is also a retired Detective from a major metropolitan police department. He has worked for years as a Contractor for the largest and most well known of the American private military companies, providing training and security services worldwide. He has seen service numerous times during the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mike is a member of a U.S. Army Special Forces Association chapter.

Jack Lawson served in the United States Air Force and was also a member of a Foreign Legion counter insurgency unit during an anti-communist guerilla war in Africa. He was trained by British Commonwealth SAS and Israeli commando instructors and took part in counter insurgency operations and commando raids on communist training camps in a number of African countries. While there he became a bodyguard for a farmer’s association in his off duty time. Jack is an Honorary Member of a U.S. Army Special Forces Association chapter and for seven years served on a metropolitan police department Review Board that judged Officer Involved Shootings and use of deadly force incidents. He was also a consultant to the United States Marine Corps on heliborne vertical envelopment and anti-terrorist tactics. He has authored two other books. “Slaver’s Wheel” is available at Amazon, Barnes & Noble and all major bookstores. “A Question of Time” is available on Kindle.

– T.L. Davis (TL) is the author of “The Constitutionalist” and publishes the “TL In Exile” liberty blog. He is a proud descendant of Kentucky pioneers.

– Claire Wolfe (CW) is a free-market anarchist author and columnist. She blogs at Backwoods Home Magazine, and is a contributor at SWAT Magazine. Some of her favored topics are gulching or homesteading, firearms, homeschooling, open source technology, and opposition to national ID and the surveillance state or nanny state. She is the author of “The Freedom Outlaw’s Handbook – 179 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution“, “Don’t Shoot The Bastards (Yet)“, “The Bad Attitude Guide To Good Citizenship“, and “Think Free To Live Free“, among other classics.

Matt Bracken (MB) is a self-described freedom addict who loves ocean sailing above all for the pure freedom it often permits. He lives with his family in North Florida and longs for the wide blue ocean. Matt is a constitutional hardliner (and frequent WRSA contributor) who believes in the original intent of the founding fathers of our country, and is the author of the Enemies Foreign And Domestic trilogy, along with his latest novel, Castigo Cay. Matt was born in Baltimore, Maryland in 1957 and graduated from the University of Virginia in 1979 with a degree in Russian Studies. He was commissioned in the US Navy through the NROTC program at UVA, and then graduated from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training class 105 in Coronado California. Matt served on east coast UDT and SEAL teams, taking a Naval Special Warfare detachment to Beirut in 1983. Matt left active duty after Lebanon, upon completion of his obligated military service, but he remained in an active reserve status through the remainder of the 1980s. Since then he has lived in Florida, Virginia, South Carolina, Guam, and California. In 1993, Matt finished building a 48-foot steel sailing cutter of his own design, on which he has done extensive ocean cruising, including a solo voyage 9,000 miles from Panama to Guam and two Panama Canal transits.

With intros out of the way, we’ll turn to the questions. For simplicity, I have taken each panelist’s initial response and placed it under each question, using their initials. From there, we’ll go to moderated comments between the panelists and the audience:

1) Where are the citizens of the United States today — not just in terms of guns, but all personal freedoms and their relationship with government at all levels?

DC: We are slaves. The advantage the poor bastards being driven with whips to build pyramids and pick cotton had over us is they at least knew they were slaves. Most of our countrymen operate under the illusion they are “free.” Our freedoms and comforts are what are tolerated and the restraints are what can be placed on us without rupturing the illusion and risking a rebellion.

TL: I think a majority, even if a thin one, sees the government as a threat to their freedoms and liberties. I think because of TSA they feel bullied a little bit and discouraged, but I don’t think they really know what to do about it.

CW: There are no more citizens.

We are, at best, subjects. At worst, we are enemies — and not enemies by our own choice, but by the choice of the state. The federal government chose to spy on us without warrants. They chose to decree their right to kill us or lock us up without due process. They chose to send militarized police to kick down our doors. They chose to destroy the Bill of Rights. They chose to enable and coddle the Wall Street looters who destroyed (and are continuing to destroy) the country’s economy. And now they’re choosing, once again, to push their same-old-same-old agenda to disarm us.

A “government of the people” doesn’t do any of that to citizens. Only to subjects or enemies.

At the same time, of course, the government choses to grant various boons — everything from food stamps to giving people official consent to relationships that are none of the government’s business in the first place.

So for the moment, I’d say the country is becoming more deeply divided between three factions: government and its cronies; pampered but vulnerable subjects; and an increasingly angry minority who see to the heart of all this.

2) How did we get there?

DC: We gave others power over ourselves and did not watch them. So they started abusing the trust, pretty much from Day One. Thing is, the clock really wasn’t reset at “0” after the War of the Rebellion–they had players back then who knew how to game the system. It’s always been that way.

TL: I think while there are a lot of historical avenues to this condition that go back as far as the Civil War, or War Between the States, it started to come to a head in the mid-90’s with Clinton and HW Bush, but the confrontation with fedgov was dulled by the over-reaching of Timothy McVeigh and as he was part of the resistance of the time distancing the militia orgs from him took a long toll.

In more recent times, however, was the passing of the Patriot Act and the economic collapse have led us to a point where the Constitution has been subverted consistently over a condensed period of time. First to keep us safe from terrorists that never seem to get the attention they deserve and then to “violate the free market to save it,” in George Bush’s words.

CW: Boy, how many volumes do you want to publish?

But if I had to give a simple summation, I’d say two things: 1) the normal human tendency to think everything is okay (until it’s seriously not) and 2) government schooling.

Very handy, being able to plant exactly what you want in the minds of the young and impressionable. “We’re the freest country in the world” and all that. “Your government is good and just and will always take care of you,” etc.

3) Why did citizens allow American government — be it local/state/national — to grow the way it has?

DC: Because they had farms to work, trades to ply, shops to tend and bellies to fill, and because the average moral person who doesn’t look to control anyone but himself finds the desire to tell others what to do alien. Society specializes–we can’t all be dentists and plumbers and engineers or administrators. So the specialists do it and we do our thing and it’s all supposed to work with checks and balances, except we come back to those with ambition who specialize in gaming the system and working it to their advantage– no individual can possibly keep tabs on it, and those we trust to monitor things have agendas of their own. Plus, most people just don’t give a damn about things that are outside their sphere.

TL: Fear. Also, so many things seem out of our reach. The only options seem to be to take it or die trying to resist it, so it grew and grew as we took every abuse they had to dish out. I think the fear of drug gangs put some people on the back seat, thinking the police needed the material and expanded powers to deal with the threat of drugs and gangs, but those things never seem to get addressed. I don’t remember the last time the government went after any of the national gangs, or even the local ones in inner cities.

CW: Wrong question. It’s a fallacy to say that citizens allowed it.

Of course, millions of people bear some fault — maybe a lot of fault. People wanted the goodies dangled before us. People believed that the federal government, being “the best in the world” (see government schooling, earlier answer) would never do anything seriously wrong. And of course, millions of people v*te based not on real knowledge, but on impressions.

But look at how many of the really cancerous parts of government grew in secret. How many spy agencies and evil programs existed for years before their deeds were uncovered? What power do any of us have over bureaucracies? How many people cast reasonably educated v*tes — merely to find that the people they voted for acted differently in office than they promised on the campaign trail?

I know that “the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.” But frankly, that’s insane.

People have personal lives. We have our own interests. And we SHOULD. Those things should be our first priorities. If the only way to prevent government abuse was really to spend our entire lives peering intently at governments and fighting, fighting, fighting every wrong that some sneaky, scabrous bastard in a vast class of sneaky, scabrous bastards might be planning … well, that would be ridiculous! How free would we actually be if we felt compelled to live like that? We would be slaves to the governing class even more than we are now, just in a different way.

The fact is that government, like any institution, serves its own interests. Centralized government will keep growing until it can’t grow any more. And citizens aren’t going to prevent that growth by wasting their entire lives believing that somehow, if everybody could just be more vigilant, government would become “good.”

The only way in which “we” really are responsible for the growth of government is in our failure to grok that any institution that functions by stealing our money and threatening us with violence could ever be “good.”

4) What’s next — for government leaders, government workers, private sector companies, and individual citizens?

DC: Beats the hell out of me. And I’m skeptical of anyone who is certain a scenario will unfold just like they’ve predicted. I’ve never met an oracle.

TL: For the large majority of these people it will be business as usual. The government will impose laws and everyone will figure out somehow to comply with them.

CW: Pain and struggle. Creativity. Outlaw networks developing and growing, online and off. Free markets developing alongside tightly controlled ones. Interesting times — in the sense of the Chinese curse.

5) When do these issues come to a head?

DC: I don’t think there will be one head–there will be tripwires/flashpoints for individuals. Everyone has different tolerance levels and different motivating factors. I see a bunch of little rivulets joining together to form a stream and then a torrent as they happen more or less simultaneously. I also think that the more common the catalyst, the quicker and more forcefully that will happen.

TL: I think it is when we find out a way to resist without our message being lost. When one action can can be identified by others as consistent with the overall goal of restoring the Constitution, or at least the rights recognized and codified by it.

CW: When Joe or Josie Average — or at least the more aware among the J. Average segment of the population — feels more pain than he or she is willing to bear.

I suspect the trigger will be economic. But certainly firearms issues will drive millions of otherwise complacent individuals away from any love of government. The current push to disarm us is laying the groundwork for broader, stronger resistance to government tyranny, in whatever form it comes.

And you never know what could serve as a trigger. The whole Arab world burst into flame when one obscure fruit vendor set himself on fire. Right now, the hacker world is on the verge of rounding on the government because one of their own — young, promising, brilliant Aaron Swartz — was driven to suicide by a maniacal federal prosecutor. There’s a lot of crossover between hackers and gun owners. Interesting alliances could develop, creating movements no one can now guess at.

Are you looking for a date? My crystal ball doesn’t give those. The world is too complex. But if I had to guess, late 2014 seems possible.

6) Who wins, and why?

DC: I don’t know. Define “win.” Do we restore the Articles of Confederation? Do we end up with fractured regional tyrannies? Warlords? Who is authorized to negotiate a peace on your behalf? What if I don’t agree? I’m reminded of the “Table of Damascus” scene from the movie “Lawrence of Arabia”.

TL: The American people ultimately will win over this tyrannical government. How many lives are lost and how far the government is willing to go to provide that final point of revulsion that loses the support of the people is the real question.

CW: Nobody. That’s my glib answer.

A more thoughtful answer was provided in 1942 by John Steinbeck in his short novel (and play) “The Moon is Down.” One of his characters, who was about to die, told his murderer:

“The people don’t like to be conquered, sir, and so they will not be. Free men cannot start a war, but once it is started, they can fight on in defeat. Herd men, followers of a leader, cannot do that, and so it is always the herd men who win battles and the free men who win wars. You will find that is so, sir.”

I think that about says it. If tyrannical government “wins” any inevitable coming confrontation, the suffering for all of us will be intense. We may face years, decades, of hardship, oppression, and death. But free people always prevail over those who believe in central control.

7) What are your top 3 “next steps” suggestions for readers?

DC: 1. Take care of Number One. Put your own oxygen mask on first. I’m neither smart nor prescient enough to come up with 2 and 3. If you’ve done 1, hopefully you’ll be as adaptable as possible for whatever arises.

TL: Prepare your finances and conditions for your families to go on without you. Prepare yourself to take the necessary steps to resist, i.e. physical conditioning, mental preparation. Look for a way to strike back at the government in a way that directly opposes the illegal laws they have passed so that the purpose, to any rational individual, cannot be denied.

CW: 1. I’ll bet this is pretty much what everybody else will say: buy guns, gold, silver, and food. Be ready for hard times, for catastrophes large and small.

2. Even more important, develop a mindset of independence, even if your circumstances make you vulnerable or physically dependent. Be flexible and clever.

3. If you have kids, either get them away from government schools or help them develop skepticism about what they’re told in those schools.

4. (Because I’m an anarchist and don’t have to stop at three just because somebody else says so :-) ) — never give up your guns. And don’t just sit around posturing and boasting about how you won’t give them up. Think about how you’ll resist. How you’ll protect your firearms. How you’ll make or get new ones if the old get stolen. How you’ll pass your guns down to children or grandchildren. How you’ll ensure your ammo supplies. Whether you’re willing to shoot any thug who tries to take your “liberty’s teeth.” How you’ll live in a world that treats you as a criminal when you know you’re really one of the good guys. And BE FLEXIBLE. BE CLEVER about that as about all other things.

5. (Yep, anarchist.) Understand that you have to grant other people their freedom if you want them to respect yours.

Thanks to the panelists for those initial comments; others will be jumping in as the day continues.

Let’s start the interaction with a question to our speakers and audience alike:

What is your best advice for newbies to the fight for freedom in America?

UPDATE 1155 EST 5 FEB 2013: Moderation is been lightened (I think), and I am now able to keep more real-time approvals going. Be patient with your editor :-) and our participants, who are doing this task on top of everything else they are doing today. Thanks for your readership as always.

346 responses to “WRSA State Of The Union Forum: Where We Are, How We Got Here, & Where We Are Going

  1. It really is ALWAYS about the money. Who arranged the circumstances to Loot our Treasury?

    Derivatives are a pseudo-contract. Neither party pays money, performs service, assigns property to fund the contract. Yet, like bonds which never were insured before the 90s; the clever fraudsters on Wall St saw the ability to defraud AIG, the worlds biggest special risk carrier as means of attaining funding. Had Paulson sought to mitigate the contrived emergency, a moratorium on derivative settlements could have been declared and contracts examined to determine which ones were valid; IE someone paid money commensurate with the risk that other party would not perform.

    Yet, derivatives were the neutron bomb of financial fraud instruments. The pigeon in this drop was our US Treasury, except ALL PARTIES to the confidence game KNEW the fix was in and it was All About Looting Trillions from Treasury and Enabling General Motors takeover and ousting Hank Greenberg from AIG where he had not been a derivative enthusiast.

    Who wound up with the assets of all the contrived failures of legendary brokerage houses like Merrill-Lynch which folded in a matter of hours and were essentially awarded to bitter competitors for no rational reason? Goldman-Sachs could just as easily been taken down except for their insider network that since 2010 appointments in Greece & Italy are proven to Run The World…

    How about that secret vote on x-mas eve 1913 that enacted The Federal Reserve Act? 3 senators meeting in the senate cloakroom, declaring a quorum and voting aye for the most financially damaging action in our history? Control over all our money given to men who pledged no assets to acquire the power and assuredness of fabulous wealth the empowerment would/could bring…

    The same crewe, almost like mardi-gras revelers, means to have their way with US and abscond cleanly with all the wealth. Probably they’re going to leave the pensions alone, because pigs always get slaughtered. Even the American People might just figure out what is up if they try to get the last nickel from our pockets.

    The real fight is in NOT Tearing Down America, rather organizing neighborhoods and precincts to all resort to Constitutional Means to protect The Nation during the chaos TPTB mean to foment, rather than going hot to revenge our outrage at being plundered. Our Constitution protects US All at local levels and there need be no battleground amongst US.

    The Nation has been BANKRUPTED and Driven To Ruin by those entrusted to serve the public in stewardship. Instead of Stewards of Fiduciary Responsibility our political and business/professional leaders have conducted their affairs as did the Cornish Scuttlers who lured merchant vessels to wreck on their rocky shoals and then pillaged ship and murdered survivors to claim “salvage rights” under Law Of The Sea…

    Our Federal Representatives and Senators have spent US into ruin and Enabled Looting on scale that will prohibit recovery or renewal.

    If we resort to armed conflict without presenting warrants for arrest of culpable parties to this ruin, we will effectively allow these persons, most anyway, to escape and make off with all they Looted and Robbed.

    We have our God-Given Rights.
    What we need to pursue and manifest is Recovery and Restoration of Our Nation and prosecution of those who committed Treason and breach of Fiduciary Duty implied and implicit to their Oath Of Office.

  2. Reading this after the fact. Obviously.

    It seems obvious to me there is going to be a ‘reset’ It’s going to be a violent blood reset.

    But we, liberty lovers, need a plan to fill the vacuum after the reset. Assuming we win.

    So who has the plan?

  3. .Wow.No time to read this all but here’s a suggestion I hope hasn’t been covered yet.
    You feel like you’re bring pushed and pushed (fair enough) but your only response seems to be “I’m going to draw a line and if he steps over that line then WHAM”.
    Bad strategy. You need to start pushing back and force the gestapo to reveal themselves in all their ugly glory.
    1. Deface ALL federal branding you can get your hands on. A simple red nazi swastika via spray paint gets the message across. This is (relatively) low risk, and being caught doing it dosen’t exactly carry the death penalty.
    2. Get your printer fired up and obtain some glossy stickyback print sheets. Whip up some “Militia Country” stickers of the appropriate size and alter your county signs to read “You are now entering -Militia country-” rather than “sticksville, Idaho” (for example). Better yet, use heavy duty glue and poster material like the stuff used for concert posters. It’s bloody hard to get off and the remaining residue makes a good base for the next poster. Access the site by ATVs if possible to avoid CCTV or witness accounts.
    For every patriot on the net there are probably ten out there who have little to no idea that they’re not alone. Change that perception and you’ll see a BIG difference in community attitudes.

    • For every patriot on the ‘net there are probably ten out there who have little to no idea that they’re not alone. Change that perception and you’ll see a BIG difference in community attitudes.


      • CA, I agree. In fact there may be even more than ten. I have tried to reach out to a few people but fear seems to grip them, they lock up and when they finally come out of shock, they start running and dodging like I’m shooting at them. And my wife has monitored me and she says I am not coming on strong. This is a real problem.

        The few I have managed to stay in close to semi-close contact with, have their heads down and are one step away from digging hidden bunkers and disappearing. To say their paranoid is an understatement.

        Some how we have got to break through the paranoia and get Patriots to come out of the basement. I like Mr. Bracken’s idea about the ball cap and t-shirts. And I am moving in that direction now.

        I am also seriously considering getting a booth at the next gun show and passing flyers, leaflets, pamphlets, anything I can get with the message on it. Which leads to my question: Do any of you guys have any of these available that I could print out at my own expense? Would any of you all have a problem with me printing out post you have done on your websites and handing them out? I will give full credit to the authors.

        Also is there a place where I could buy their books in bulk, at my expense and sell them? Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

        CA, like the video you put up yesterday, I am a follower trying to stir other followers to come out and stand. It goes back to something my Grandpa and Dad used to tell us boys all the time. “We are not great men, we are common men. But when you find a great man, make sure you are found standing next to him.” In the past year and half I have found a lot of great men and women in the Patriot/Liberty movements.

        Isolation is death, no man can stand alone for very long.

        When men and women find out they are not alone, I believe they will step out on to the Green.

        • I see the genesis of a powerful idea here: A one-stop resource center where people could download pamphlets, flyers, posters, etc. to print out and make copies of. There are a host of such docs already out there, but not consolidated in one place, plus it lends itself to new ideas being produced. I’m thinking a Scribd account could be used to host the docs. Is anyone aware if such an online resource already exists so we wouldn’t have to reinvent the wheel?

          • Great synthesis, David.

            Crude but workable suggestion: I put up a post called “Propaganda Resources”, everybody sends links for that post to the wrsa@hushmail.com box, and I add them to the post. The post then will reside in the left margin of WRSA.

            There are a dozen better plans, I am sure, but this one can start today.


  4. I thought I’d add in a couple of thoughts this morning.

    1) We (the folks at my site) track things through open source news and information services. We are seeing a drastic increase in “flash mobs”, small riots which aren’t making the new cycle. We THINK (not sure) but these are organized by someone (OWS maybe?) to keep folks off guard.

    2) North Korea, Iran… two serious problems are looming and we as a country as essentially IGNORING this – to what end? I don’t know but I suspect that somehow this administration is complicit in reducing our military and nuclear arsenal, de-funding important important programs (Naval power, Missile Defense, etc), all the while Russia and China are working diligently on their military strength. (Build ups there are noticeable)

    3) Our government is spending more money than they take in, and they KNOW it. They KNOW this will crash us. Why in the world would our own government do this? It only makes sense if you happen to have a “Progressive” mindset I guess. Apparently the current occupant of the Oval Office sees “Progress” as reversing anything we’ve come to believe in as America. He see “Amerika” when he is finished. When he says, “Fundamental change in America” he MEANS “fundamental change in AMERICANS”. All of us, a new 1984ish, Groupthink, Big-Brother-is-Watching-You mind set. This is what they want for the USA. Not freedoms.

    4) The attacks on guns, the Second Amendment have been carefully thought out (Obviously if DiFi had been “working for a year” on that bill before Sandy Hook they have a belief of change they can make given the correct impetus, in this case, the murders of little children). As so many here have said before, I’ll say it again, do NOT give up your guns. No matter what, RESIST. Even if you hide them, bury them, move them, or have to use them. Once they disarm us, it’s a short step to incarceration and extermination for those that won’t go to “Re-Education Camp”.

    5) To those who somehow believe that the “Jews” and “Banks” are “at fault”… I’m sorry, but seriously, just go back to playing your video games. If anything those “theories” are put out there to make you SOUND like lunatics and keep everyone on every side laughing about it (and you). Our greatest issue isn’t the DPRK, Jews, Banks, or any other conspiracy theory you can imagine. It’s the current Administration trying to ban guns, or force registration on us. ONCE we LOSE the ability to defend ourselves, we are lost as a people and a nation. The day they start gun confiscation, the United States will no longer exist and the Constitution will be null and void – and THAT is their MAIN GOAL. It’s the goal we must stop.

    6) I personally don’t see an immediate-in-our-future “battle” or “shooting war”. Oh, it’s coming, but not in the next few months. The psychology of Americans today precludes MOST of us from standing up and fighting back. Most turn tail and run. (Some of us won’t, some have seen death and/or destruction up close and personal and most military people over the age of 35 or so actually believe in that oath they took. I have a few decades on that group – I took that oath at least six times and it has never expired. It won’t expire. I’ll expire before I ignore that oath). But Americans in general are inculcated into a “safety” mindset. They can call 911. They can run. They can hide. They don’t have to carry a gun, shoot anyone, and they don’t think anyone else should protect themselves either. This attitude permeates society and even some in the military themselves believe it and think civilians should be disarmed. (I know, I work on an installation and speak with military personnel every day). Make no mistake, something will pull that one twig out of the log jam soon and we will have a flood coming down the river. It’s coming, just not in the next few weeks.

    7) Folks here have said “Train”. Yes. Exercise, lose a few extra pounds, get in shape, learn to walk fast, learn to carry some equipment (get a backpack and hike through a park for a few miles, start slowly). Carry a walking stick (since most can’t carry a battle rifle, use the stick to make sure you’re used to carrying a weapon, even get a sling on it and carry it that way sometimes… seriously). Learn some “night moves”. Learn hand signals. READ EVERYTHING YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON. Find a ham radio operator in your area and “get your ham license”. They will teach you things about radios. Know about your cell phone and Opsec, Comsec, and how to make sure that phone isn’t turned on when you don’t want to be overheard….Learn about “dead drops” and even “One time Pads”. I won’t elaborate on any of that, you take the time to look it up. Do your “preps”. Food, water, shelter. Know how to obtain each in your area, and lay in a store. Be prepared to bug in, and be prepared to bug out. And watch, listen and pass on what you know to others.

    We’re in for tough times. We will make it though… Remember what Franklin said, “We must hang together, or surely we will hang separately.”

  5. Great discussion, Inspiring, humbling, and educational. Thanks to the Panel especially. To all the rest, if you take nothing else away for this meeting of the minds, take and keep this: “YOU ARE NOT ALONE!”

    Montani Semper Liberi.

  6. Really, that was the purpose? I thought it was an attempt to show him as a bozo who’d never shouldered a shotgun before. My guess is that the Secret Service was standing off-camera laughing up their shirt sleeves.

  7. Reblogged this on Reality Check and commented:
    Western Rifle Shooter’s Association panel from Tuesday morning/afternoon. David Codrea, Mike Garand, Jack Lawson, T.L. Davis, Claire Wolfe, Matt Bracken were panel participants. Recommended read

  8. Hey guys, here’s an opportunity for us. 10 million gun owner march in DC on 05/25/2013. Check it out. Sounds like a crazy good opportunity to link up and make a statement to the powers that be. http://ivymikecafe.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/10-million-gun-owner-march-05252013-in-dc/

  9. Ted Lindblad III

    I too appreciate all which is being said here and the provided format. Allow me to PLEASE strongly encourage each and every one of you to invest the 3 hours (make the time) it will take to watch these two videos, on:

    God, Guns and Liberty, by Mike Hoggard

    Part 1: http://www.watchmanvideobroadcast.com/video/wvb121223_god-guns-liberty-01.html

    Part 2: http://www.watchmanvideobroadcast.com/video/wvb121230_god-guns-liberty-02.html

    This is some of the finest teaching I have found on the interwebs. The knowledge presented within used to be common knowledge. The Bible (the Word of God) used to be common knowledge. The single most imperative issue facing the Liberty Movement exists in asking ourselves (each one to him/her self) who’s side are we truly on, God or satan’s? This is a question so fundamental to what we all see happening around us, to ignore it is to miss ALL else (no matter how close to correct individual “facts of reality” may be) and ultimately to lose all we ever were or could be, because we are missing the “why” of things which be. We are HERE because Amerika no longer understands or regards the Bible as the ultimate Truth which it is. We believe “science” and “scientists” (who MUST know better that we (they have degrees from universities after all) could they too be TPTB?) which has produced the most elaborate hoax in the history of mankind… evolution. Creation sans Creator. Reality sans accountability. Yes, it all starts here. It is how the progressives have progressed and are progressing at ever faster rates. We have been duped on an existential level. Don’t be! 2 Peter 3: start to finish (KJV).

    I beg believers and non-believers alike to watch and begin to understand this battle at its most basic level. See you on the literal battlefield of Good versus evil, and (I pray) on the Other Side. Know for sure which side you are on… 1 John 5:13 (KJV). God our Creator put a stop to His creation once before with water. The fossil record (in reality) bears witness to this absolute fact. He will do it again this time with fire, in His time, which seems to grow late to this believer.

    Peace and Blessings
    and as CA says;
    Stand and RESIST (evil)
    be kind, but harden your hearts (with Truth)

    • Interesting. I liked the first video, and started the second. About 10 minutes in it just stopped, and now the page will load but not the video.

      I also had trouble linking to two pages from my USA Carry newsletter today. One of them was about Obama’s lawyers admitting the Hawaii birth certificate was a fake. The other was about some Bruce Willis quote. Never did get either of them, and the search function for that site wasn’t working either.

      My theory is DDOS attacks on pro-gun websites, since it appears the gun control agenda is losing steam really quickly in the face of concerted pro-gun opposition. They’re losing ground so quickly that the CT legislature is considering trying to jam through about 50 various anti-gun proposals on an ’emergency’ basis. And these videos do a good job of justifying self-defense and weapons with Scripture, so this site would be a priority to hit for DDOS hacking.

  10. Outstanding contributions from all panelists and participants! My heartfelt thanks to all, and especially to CA and WRSA for the venue. We know the enemy has his plans. Time is short. Our job is to resist and to counter by all means available. If you haven’t started yet, now is the time. Take some ideas from this exchange and implement them in your local community. Network with others locally, regionally and beyond. Show the leviathan that we intend to win! Yesterday is the past (history): May we learn from it. Today is the present – the first day of the rest of our lives: May we embrace it. Tomorrow is the future: May we make it ours and our children’s in liberty.

  11. Our overall problem is we are attempting to do no less than rebuild our civilization in enemy territory, complete with an obstensively enemy population that has no concept of Freedom beyond it being a slogan. Certainly, we are subject to an enemy government that has an obstensive following with the aforementioned portion of the American people.

    It’s why I advocated for years we needed a demonstration town won via recall election using the examples of the GIs of Athens TN of 1946 and with our principles instituted, then used as an example. Also, we would have actual territory. That advocacy has been systematically stymied and blocked by the ignorant and gov operatives.

    There will NOT be a peaceful resolution to this, the enemy will choke off any such efforts or use ringers in the movement to derail them.

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  14. I got in here at the last minute this evening, and couldn’t leave until I read everyone’s posts…. outstanding!

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