Some Thoughts On Veteran’s Day

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November 11, 1918

Buppert: The Mass Marketing Of Mass Murder

Twain: To The Person Sitting In Darkness

To the men who have fought, killed, been wounded, and died under the flag of the American government since 1861, thank you for your examples of courage and loyalty (even unto death) to your brothers-in-arms.

But can you tell me, honestly, whether or not you and your brothers, in light of all you know now, were in service to the ideals of individual freedom, personal responsibility, honor, and limited government?

Or were you and your comrades used like pawns to serve more sinister objectives?

And if you were, what would you say to those men and women in uniform today, who will be ordered to enslave on behalf of the global elites the very fellow citizens who thank them on this holiday for their service?

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61 responses to “Some Thoughts On Veteran’s Day

  1. Found on Claire’s site a while back;

    Dr Jimmy T (Gunny) LaBaume Says:
    June 2nd, 2013

    My Marine Corps career spanned some 35 years (off and on with a lot of broken and reserve time). I’m a slow learner. It took me 40 plus years after Vietnam and Desert Storm to figure out what had happened to me.

    I didn’t go easy. Went kicking and screaming every step of the way. But I finally had to admit the truth. Nothing I had ever done for the Marine Corps had anything to do with “freedom” in America or “protecting the Constitution” or any of that flag waiving bullshit.

    Everything I ever did for the Marine Corps was all about the aggrandizement of the State and the enrichment of the politicos and their cronies in the military-industrial-congressional-educational complex. I was a dupe.

    Also Claire, it is a tradition at my blog to re-publish “Hey Grimes, What’s up dude?” (http://landandlivestock.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/hey-grimes-whats-up-dude/#comments). It is a personal story that makes the same point at an individual level that you make at the general level. Such a waste.

    • No sweat Gunny. It took Smedley Butler awhile to snap to it and he was a General. Imagine the time he lived in, speaking out the truth.
      Now THAT was a man.

  2. “Or were you and your comrades used like pawns to serve more sinister objectives?” Oh, absolutely. And this is precisely what makes me so crazy on military/war-remembrance holy-days now. As the daughter of a WWII vet (and as a 3-year Army vet myself) I so want to be “proud,” but I know too much to put much heart into it. Thanks for saying it out loud.

  3. My comment from Nov. 11, 2010 stands. Maybe Buppert wants to commit hari-kari, and maybe a lot of people like him are over whelmed with regret, but I ain’t. If any of you Regretters want my help during the coming shitstorm, I regret to inform you that I am unavailable. In case anyone is confused, the situation is called sleeping in the bed you made. What’s that whine I hear, far in the background?…………………………

    • Glad to have you back, Top. Bash on.

      BTW, how about a brief essay on basics of small unit command? There’s a bunch of noobs inbound who’ve learned everything they know about leadership from watching that candyass former deputy on The Walking Dead….

      Nothing fancy. Just the speech you would/did give to each of your NCOs on doing their job, taking care of their people, and winning – no matter what.

      Write it like you’d say it.

      Gracias.

    • +1 to Sean.

      I won’t apologize for my service and in fact I’m damn proud of it. Not because (as I realize now) I did a goddamn thing to keep America free or any of that bullshit, but because as a squad leader and then as a platoon sergeant, I brought all of my boys home alive and (mostly) intact. And I’m proud to have known, and served alongside, some of the best men I have or ever will know.

      I’m not about to throw the baby out with the bathwater even though, knowing what I know now after having taken the Red Pill, I refuse to say the pledge of allegiance, fly the flag or sing the national anthem.

      When I tell my brothers happy Veterans Day it’s not out of a sense of entitlement or patriotism, but out of love and pride for who they are and how lucky I am to have known them and served with them.

    • I was beginning to worry about you. Don’t do that again

      I second your sentiment. Were we idealistic? Yep. Naive? Yep. Used as pawns? In most cases yes. But we were damn sure standing on a wall with a gun at the same time keeping the bad guys out of here. We very few.

      Buppert can go fuck himself.

      So, if you sons of bitches wanna take that tact and lump us with what’s going on with LE in this country, that’ll be fine.
      I’ll adjust accordingly.

      However, I do find it interesting that this bullshit came up right after the vets went to DC and stood in their faces. Coincidence? Maybe. I still have reservations. It would be a classic psyop.

      • Gentlemen:

        I will let Buppert speak for himself.

        As for me, I am not slamming anyone who served.

        I am slamming your chains of command for what they did with each of you, with the most recent example being getting good young men killed and effed up in support of govs who have as their foundation the satanic creed of Islam.

        Doubters can check the (US drafted) constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

        There is a helluva difference between slamming enlisted, NCOs, and company grade officers versus slamming the politicals and bureaucrats who used y’all badly/immorally.

        Does that make sense?

        • CA, I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but no offense taken. You’re coming through loud and clear.

        • outlawpatriot

          CA, anonymous post above at 12:38 was me.

          Gotta new phone. Haven’t mastered it yet.

      • “keeping the bad guys out of here. ”
        You have it wrong. The bad guys were here already . You helped make life safer and possible for them to loot and pillage this country and others with impunity.

      • “keeping the bad guys out of here. ”
        You have it wrong. The bad guys were here already . You helped make life safer and possible for them to loot and pillage this country and others with impunity, by participating in what amounted to useful distraction.

  4. I would, and do, tell them,

    “get out now!”

  5. Fantastic essay, Mr. Buppert.

    It’s complemented by this latest video from Molyneux.

    Eventually, you just have to admit that you have been doing wrong. I’m guilty, too. Maybe that’s why there’s a special program to monitor returning soldiers … Vigilant Eagle, is it?

  6. Drew, US Army MP Retired 83-04
    1) Pawn
    2) Think, and remember your Oath!

  7. Eventually, I don’t have to admit to any such shit, and if you’re entertaining any ideas of MAKING me admit anything, as they say on Futurama, prepare to be surprised. The program I got with when I returned was called, “Get the Fuck Up, and Get With It.” For all you hand wringers out there, and tear jerking (and jerking other things) imagine if you will, a USA without its armed forces, in the 20th Century and beyond. You can’t, because without it, the USA disappears. I know all the stories about the money, the graft, the political motives, the down and dirty things that go on in war. Get over it, and yourselves. Not one country in the history of the world exists but that those kind of things go on. We’re no exception. So there you are. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. You don’t want to “honor” veterans on Veterans Day? Good. The bold and the brave prefer it that way. Just be aware that if you want to trot out your brand of horse shit within arms reach of those of us still in possession of our balls, a little chin music is liable to get played. And I ain’t kiddin’, either.

    • outlawpatriot

      Again, in total agreement.

      Damn I’m glad you’re back.

    • Hey Sean…you’re pretty “bold and brave” behind the keyboard. So, in your mind it’s horseshit to oppose the sending of FUSA troops to far off lands to kill and be killed in undeclared wars ?

      FYI….the USA is in it’s death throes. Trillions upon trillions of fiat-dollar debt, skyrocketing prices, declining wages, unending wars piling up more debt, no family-sustaining wage jobs for guys to raise families on. But you want to ignore that because you’re in possession of some “balls” ? No brains but you’ve got balls ! That’s the ticket.

      Damn…that could be a new recruiting ad….”Got Balls ? US Army Wants YOU !” or “No Brains, Just Balls….Just The Way We Like ‘Em. Join (insert military service of choice here)”. How’s about ditching “An Army of One” with “An Army of Balls” ? Wow ! Madison Avenue here I come.

      Comsider refraining from tapping out idle threats on your keyboard. Instead do a search for “Roman Empire”. You may read that having “balls” only gets a nation consigned to the dustbin of history. Truly, History repeats itself.

    • Napalm Bodywash

      At first glance, you remind me of a guy who was an infantry officer and a galactic douchebag. He got his ranger tab and that took his douchebaggery to dizzying new heights. A bunch of us went out and saw him and he joined our group. We were walking to another bar and this asshole was walking down the middle of the street yelling how he hated civilians. I took exception to it and the fun began. Like I said, you remind me of him. The we vs. they attitude you appear to have, in this post anyway has put a massive chip on your shoulder. Your threats about chin music, to civilian and prior service alike and the rest of your diatribe is proof of that.
      You talk about being a veteran, having possession of your balls and basically f*ck everyone who doesn’t honor “us”. Is there some other reason you joined? Either agree with me or it’s chin music. Either honor me or it’s chin music. What’s next, genuflect? Idolize? How about worship? What about the troops who quietly did their job without desire for reward, accommodation or acknowledgement for that matter and disagree with the need or desire for it. They did and do it for a higher purpose. What about them, Sean? What about YOUR brand of horseshit? Is it chin music for them too??

  8. HA! I used them shitbags and they know it. I learned life saving- and life taking skills, and trained other worthy men to use those same skills. The men under my guidance will always remember me till the day they die, just as I will always remember them. No thing or No one can build comradery like military duty. I wouldn’t trade my service or experience for the world. “I love it when a plan comes together”-Col John “Hannibal” Smith..

  9. ALCON …. I agree with Buppert’s commentary.

    This country has been embroiled, in continuous, undeclared wars since 1951. Unconstitutional wars. Wars not fought or being fought in, literally, defense of this nation’s borders or people. Rather, wars being fought for reasons that the grunt doesn’t even know why. Ask an Afghanistan vet WHY he was in the ‘stan. Ask him what the national mission or goal is to being there. He won’t know.

    We all took an oath to defend the Constitution against enemies “foreign and domestic”. Yet, for whatever reason, we “did our duty” fighting and/or serving in UNconstitutional conflicts against “enemies” who never attacked us. Odd how one can violate their Constitutional oath and still be proud of doing one’s “duty”. Seems somewhat contrary, does it not ?

    Today we acknowledge what was once called Armistice Day, to pay homage to the millions of boys slaughtered in the trenches of World War One. The war which was to be the war to end all wars. Instead, we now call it Veteran’s Day and blindly forget the senseless slaughter and destruction of both American patriots and the patriots of nations, not our Constitutional enemies, that we’ve made war against and continue to war against.

    Perhaps after reading Buppert’s commentary, for those who take umbrage with Mr. Buppert, the truth hurts.

    Isn’t it time those of us who wore the uniform to say no to constant undeclared war, non-veteran politicians, globalist within our nation, destructive domestic policies, unconstitutional alphabet agencies destroying our sovereignty and freedom, and start rebuilding our country and defend it against enemies more domestic than foreign ? I believe it is.

    Sometimes the truth hurts.

    • outlawpatriot

      We all realize what that sorry anarchist is saying. We get it. Nothing hurts. You wanna knuckle under. So be it. Ain’t nobody stoppin’ you. Remember however that all choices have consequences. This patriot gig, probably a lot more vets than sorry anarchists.

      Pay close attention to Sean comments. Buppert comes from the far right of the political spectrum that just can’t exist as long as man separated from God.

      While it’s a nice thought, totally unworkable. The Founders figures that out over 200 years ago.

      • Mr. Outlawpatriot….”You want to knuckle under. So be it”.

        Knuckle under ? To what ? Common sense ?

        I guess I didn’t thump my chest and write all that tough guy crap. You want to disagree with my comment than why don’t you be specific instead of bullshit rhetoric ? Or is that too much to ask of your knuckledraggin’, he-man, chest-thumping, hoohah-hoohah, tough guy mentality ?

        Where has all the war and death and destruction and imperialism got us in the last 68 years ? Except beholding to the Communist Chinese who we gave away our sovereignty to, our manufacturing, our jobs, our children’s future, our present, our wealth. But, hey….let’s send another flock of generational warriors to Bumfuckistan to fight and die. Then they can return to FUSA, to enjoy the freedom of unemployment or underemployment, stocking shelves at WalMart with goods made by the Commie Chinese, Commie Vietnamese, Pakistani Muslims and other foreigners.

        In the meantime the American military is in more than 100 countries. For what ? How many countries does one find the Red Chinese in ? How many wars are the Commie Chinese fighting right now ? Tell me what foreign conflict the Red Chinese have been fighting constantly for 13+ years ?

        Seems to me if anyone wants to “knuckle under” it has been folks who accept, without question, the bodybags coming home since 1951from undeclared, unconstitutional wars brought to you by career politicians.

        Like I wrote earlier Mr. Outlawpatriot….the truth hurts. Doesn’t it ?

        • Gee Danny, I remember when you used to bust Klein’s chops. You do realize that Klein is joined at the hip to this worthless piece of shit, yes?

          Changed your orientation have you?

          • Anony@201512NOV….What I realize is that you should learn how to ask a question. If you want to ask me a question you need to be specific. From what I can surmise you’re another chest-thumping keyboard commando, having difficulty expressing your thoughts intelligently.

          • Worthless piece of shit? That’s completely uncalled for.

  10. Josh A. Kruschke

    1861?

    Can someone explain to me why some feel it is exceptable to fight for the right to have the state right to oppress in slave part of it’s people.

    Why is 1861 considerd the last just war?

    The North ignored suspended parts of the US Constitution to do what it thought right and just.

    And the South ignored the basic principle of Liberty, that all men are created equal with certain unalienable rights….

    Why is this seen as the last just war, and not the First Great Tragedy that gave lie to the US Constitution.

    How is people rallying around Souther State Government and defending their right to give legitimacy to state sponsored slavery any more just than what the North did.

    Now to the heart of the post.

    Any and ALL veterans have one thing in common that they choose to lay down their life for another.

    This is the day we celebrate those that made that choice whether or not you agree with it.

    You/We in FreeFor are asking people to make this same choice/decision, to quite possible die for a cause.

    Irony?

    • Napalm Bodywash

      With all due respect, you’re an obvious product of the history revisionism propagated by the “puhblick skool sistem”. “Any and ALL veterans have one thing in common that they choose to lay down their life for another.” Choose? You ever heard of the draft? No choice in that. my friend, that’s a requirement of circumstance.

      • Josh A. Kruschke

        Ever heard of Canada?

        Oh, no!!!! The Government forced me to do something… I had no choice.

        You might not like your choices, but you always have a choice.

        • Napalm Bodywash

          No Josh. Do you even remember what you wrote? I’ll repeat it for you, your quote, “Any and ALL veterans have one thing in common that they choose to lay down their life for another”. ALL veterans, right? So, what you’re saying is that draftee who went to war that chose not to fire their weapon, or “sacrifice their lives” out of self preservation, have the same in common as a CMH winner, simply because they are a veteran. Or better yet, someone who was stateside. during war. or was a REMF, is the same as a combat vet? What friggin planet are you from?
          Go finish you cookies and milk and coloring in your coloring book, there’s nothing more for you to see here…

          • Josh A. Kruschke

            Napalm Badywash,

            Ah, so what you want is a clarifing statement.

            We celebrate all people willing to lay down their life for another, except thoughs that really don’t.

            We are celibrating a virtue not a title, but the title incapsulates the virtue so we use it. Not all cops are gun toting thugs. Not all militia members are on the verge of going on a shooting. Not everyone lives up to their ideals. We are individuals.

            So, should we not celebrate fathers day, because not all fathers live up to the ideal?

            How about Labor-day?

            You can claim a title, but only you can really know if you are worthy of it.

            Be coming a cop doesn’t automatically make you the good guy or bad guy. Having a kid doesn’t automaticly make you a good parent or bad.

            You are confusing outcome with choice. Everyone that chooses to be in the military should understand that they might becalled on to laydown their life for another or cause. You are going to have people trying to tell you what is worth fighting & dying for, but are you an individual living yourown life, or are you an Useful Idiot doing what eversome else determines is right or correct?

            I’m sorry the military didn’t live up to your expectations of it, but the military didn’t force you to joun or to do anything. Quite fucking blaming the military for a decision you made.

            Victimhood is destroying this country. It is always someone elses fault, we never look to see mote in our own eye.

            So, it’s only our cause that is just? And all others that choose a different path dupes and rubes. Because I’m so much smarter than everyone else that I just must see the world clearer.

            Maybe instead of focusing on the other, maybe we should focus on ourselves first, then our local comunities, then the world at large.

            What do we say? We say, “Thank you for your services.” Not, “Thank, for your services, but only if you deserve it.” Only the person reciving the thanks or accolade knows if they deserve it.

            We are all flawed human beings.

            • Josh A. Kruschke

              *Napalm Bodywash

              Sorry! Hit the a button one to many times.

            • Napalm Bodywash

              “Any and ALL veterans have one thing in common that they choose to lay down their life for another” This is a declarative statement, No clarification necessary.

              “You are confusing outcome with choice.” I don’t know what that means or how they’re even related.

              “I’m sorry the military didn’t live up to your expectations of it, but the military didn’t force you to joun or to do anything. Quite fucking blaming the military for a decision you made.” This falls about thirty yards short of making any sense whatsoever. You must have me confused with someone else.

              “What do we say? We say, “Thank you for your services.” Not, “Thank, for your services, but only if you deserve it.” Only the person reciving the thanks or accolade knows if they deserve it.” How very progressive of you Josh! Can’t leave anyone out, now can we. Can’t identify performance ’cause that wouldn’t be fair.

              “We are all flawed human beings” We have come to an agreement, Josh. This is why a highly flawed a-hole like me had no choice but to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior. I assume, based on your paraphrasing of Scripture that you understand and have done the same, yes?

              • Josh A. Kruschke

                “Any and ALL veterans have one thing in common that they choose to lay down their life for another” This is a declarative statement, No clarification necessary.

                I know. You’re the one putting the qualifier of not all are worthy of thanks. Here is the deal I can’t read minds, so I thank all that served equally. It harms me not at all whether or not the person deserves it or not. If they don’t that’s there karma not mine. 

                “You are confusing outcome with choice.” I don’t know what that means or how they’re even related.

                Your’re the one going on about, if they contributed or not, or of what they did led to a better world or not, i.e., outcomes of their choice.

                Results do matter, but Veterans Day is about the choice and those that lost their life because of it. It’s not about us it’s about them.

                These are they same people we might want to make a similar choice again but in the name of Freefor. But let’s imply that they were wronge to so the first time around, I don’t think that is the way to win them to ourside.

                “I’m sorry the military didn’t live up to your expectations of it, but the military didn’t force you to joun or to do anything. Quite fucking blaming the military for a decision you made.” This falls about thirty yards short of making any sense whatsoever. You must have me confused with someone else.

                I thought that because of the way you were making broad general statements about people that you have never met it would be OK if I did the same. It was just the feeling I got from reading your other responses to people.

                “What do we say? We say, “Thank you for your services.” Not, “Thank, for your services, but only if you deserve it.” Only the person reciving the thanks or accolade knows if they deserve it.” How very progressive of you Josh! Can’t leave anyone out, now can we. Can’t identify performance ’cause that wouldn’t be fair.

                It has nothing to do with fairness and all to do with I can’t read peoples minds. I choose to look at the glass is half full. Why question the validity of their first choice, while calling for them to possible make the same choice for your/our cause is the irony that I saw.  

                “We are all flawed human beings” We have come to an agreement, Josh. This is why a highly flawed a-hole like me had no choice but to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior. I assume, based on your paraphrasing of Scripture that you understand and have done the same, yes?

                No. I’m Buddhist. Sorry, It was till you pointed out that I was paraphrasing the bible, but that is what services is supposed to be.

                But my original objection was with your charactorization that those called up in a draft had no choice. 

                They have three choices. 

                1. Submit; good or for the bad. Maybe they where allready thinking of joining. 

                2. Not submit. Dodge.

                3. Seek a middle ground. Consciences Objector status?

                You always have a choice! You just might not like it.

                • Napalm Bodywash

                  Look, Conscientious Objector and Canada simply weren’t a choice as you see it. Just because one claims to be a Conscientious Objector doesn’t mean they’re granted that status, otherwise there would have been a hell of alot more of them. Canada? If you can’t afford to get there then it isn’t even an option. So no Josh, they aren’t choices. There are also moral grounds that prevent some options from being a choice. For example, an unborn baby’s life is not a choice its that baby’s unalienable right.

                  “I know. You’re the one putting the qualifier of not all are worthy of thanks. Here is the deal I can’t read minds, so I thank all that served equally. It harms me not at all whether or not the person deserves it or not. If they don’t that’s there karma not mine.” I absolutely do put a qualifier on this so we’ll just have to agree to disagree…

                  • Josh A. Kruschke

                    When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, “This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,” the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything — you can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.

                    – Robert A. Heinlein.

                    Still confusing choice and outcome.

                    I can choose to go to the moon. That doesn’t mean I’m going to be able to acomplish my decision or that it will come to pass.

                    You can choose to live, and a bus can hit you tomorrow.

                    If you have time think about it or have the ability to act you have a choices.

                    A metirite falling out of the sky and killing you. No choices.

                    Someone or Government tells you to do something. You have a choices.

                    We often don’t get a choice how the world or reality effects us, but we always have the ability to choose how we responded to the world.

                    You can’t change the past.

                    You can influence the future.

                    The present is what’s happening now.

                    As long as you have agency, you have choice.

                    As sone as you say I was given no choice. You had a choice, and are making an excuse to be able to live with it.

                    Unless the Government knocked you out, and you woke up in boot camp you choose to go. Even then you have a new choice which is try to remove your self from the situation, to submit or to resist.

                    Clear as mud?

                    • Napalm Bodywash

                      Since you won’t let it go, I will. I’ll just agree to disagree and you can continue down the road with your shithouse philosophy and jerk off to Robert A. Heinlein. amf…

                    • Josh A. Kruschke

                      “Napalm Bodywash | November 12, 2013 at 05:58 | Reply
                      With all due respect, you’re an obvious product of the history revisionism propagated by the “puhblick skool sistem”. “Any and ALL veterans have one thing in common that they choose to lay down their life for another.” Choose? You ever heard of the draft? No choice in that. my friend, that’s a requirement of circumstance.”

                      😀

  11. I commend with high praise to the good military men and women who serve and fight for liberty. Especially those having given the ultimate sacrifice. Thank you!

    • outlawpatriot

      While I will say thank you, I would prefer that you go throw rocks at a politician or two.

    • Mr. mr….not to pee on your parade but “fight for Liberty” ?

      What do you define as Liberty ? Not paying property taxes on a home you BELIEVE you own, until the local sheriff tells you to “get out”. That Liberty ?

    • Who, amongst the military, is fighting for Liberty?

      Just point out one, to me?

      How come there’s so much fighting going on … and yet so little Liberty?

      Makes no sense, to me.

      There’s no-one, outside the borders of the US, who is any threat to your “Liberty”.

      And, just how do you “fight for Liberty” … whilst at the same time compelling your neighbours to fund you? Where is the Liberty in raising a levy at gun-point?

      Liberty, if it exists, is the diametrical opposite of Collectivism.
      And, the Standing Army is the embodiment of Collectivism. I know that it’s painful to admit it, but it’s still true.

      You have only to look at those massed ranks of Chinese and Russians and the former-Nazis to see how the militarisation of the populace is fundamental to the Collectivist’ State.

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  13. Buppert… yeah, whatever. A lot of good stuff. Can’t argue with most, but I always wonder when someone deliberately tries to say “we” are worse than others. We (U.S.) aren’t, and never were more barbaric than any other nation. Did we do shitty things? Sure. Blah, fuckin blah, blah. Feel better? More intellectually superior now that you bowed your head and acknowledged “we” are the worst, most war mongering nation EVER. Whatever, buppert… And he was a career officer? Ha! I never had much respect for any officers that I knew. Didn’t really understand what was their function. Maybe at a higher level? Never had to deal with the bigwigs, so I guess they might be important. What do I know?…

    I got out of the military and got a college degree, and it mystified me even more that by virtue of four extra years of high school; essentially, one group of mostly very inexperienced people were put in charge of experienced people. I learned from officers that the military exists for the military, and have extrapolated further, that every organization large enough eventually exists for itself and itself alone.

    Lets talk about some of his examples…

    “The shameful blah blah of the mexican war 1846-48”.

    It was started for and by two of the oldest means to start war. The first was extra territory. We wanted it, they had very little control over it. The second was that it was initiated in a classic standoff. Who ever leaps first gets the blame. Both sides knew it, mexico lept. We took the land. Fuck, we even paid for it after we “won”. Ghengis Khan ever do that? Ceasar? Napolean? Hitler? Mexico was corrupt and constantly fighting with itself or someone else since before it was spanish; or mexico. The aztecs were warring, slave taking, territory conquering savages. The spanish- not much different. The mexicans? How many revolutions have they had? They’ve never had control of the land they presently have, let alone a territory twice the size. Still don’t.

    Does that make the war we fought with them right or wrong? Who knows. Our troops weren’t exceptionally malignant.
    Probably alot more peace in the region since we’ve had it.

    The war of northern aggression? Sure, can’t argue with that. But how about the war for southern aristocracy? Just as good a name if you ask me. I’m sure the average southern soldier did think he was fighting for a noble cause; for his country. Truth is the average southern soldier was hoodwinked by a lot of rich aristocrats trying to maintain and expand power based on an economy that left them at a disadvantage. Those same aristocrats chose to fight and shed the blood of men who cost them alot less then the men who they owned as property, in the hopes that the other side would call it quits. Didn’t happen like that.

    Good war? Who knows. As civil wars go, it was pretty civilized. Worse than other civil wars? Lot of dead soldiers, but with the exception of the relatively tame “march to the sea”, not a lot of civilian involvement in combat. Exceptional troop barbarity? No.

    The phillipines?

    See mexico. You think after 300 years of spanish rule, the american army was exceptionally brutal? Our major fault here was that the United States was now trying to aspire to the more civilized and enlightened european colonialism. The most striking thing about American colonialism in Asia is how relatively inept and benign we were compared to our european mentors.

    I agree that all the aforementioned wars were sensless and unnecessary; as were any wars since. I just don’t see the need to try and see the U.S. as exceptionally malignant. I guess it seems just as needy and desperate to say we are the “most evil”, as it is to say we were always the good guys on the white horse. Who gives a fuck. The troops and vets however stood up, and for the most part did their job with honor, and should be respected and acknowledged regardless of their(our) government.

  14. Napalm Bodywash

    You know, while I have a respect for men who were drafted and thrown into a situation they didn’t want to be in and combat vets who have to deal with those memories for the rest of their lives(while being largely marginalized by the gov’t who facilitated the BS), like cops, just because the veteran wore a uniform doesn’t automatically make them a friggin hero. The captain that was on the receiving end of my ire that ended my military career was a cheating, lying, wife beating scumbag. Was he a hero? Mercs that once wore the uniform. are they heros? Jeffery Dahmer wore the uniform and took the oath, was he a hero? Hero, like the words rape, racist. et. al. have been affectively watered down to mean a fraction of what they once meant. something all together different and/or a broadbrushing statement to perpetuate an agenda. Welcome to hyper emotional, brain dead. TV watching Amerika.
    Let the motherf*cking begin

  15. What I find intensely interesting about this besides the ad hominem argumentation that seems to be the lion’s share of disagreement with my essay is the notion that if you put the uniform on, you get a pass. You were simply following orders or embracing the suck. No measurement or appreciation of the second or third order effects of making war on the world even though the UK provides a striking example of when the militarism and empire come home to roost after the treasury is sucked dry and the foreign habits become the domestic commonplace.

    Substitute the word cops for soldiers in the essay and all of a sudden the crickets would chirp or the same defenders of militarism would criticize the excess and brutality of homegrown terrorism in the form of the constabulary that currently occupies Amerika. These same cops have greatly benefitted from the largesse of the Pentagon and training to improve their occupation skills.

    The collectivist love war at home and overseas; when you see Wilson increase the Federal debt from less than 3% of the GDP to 30% of the GDO from 1916-1918, you know the government is onto something.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/the-long-story-of-us-debt-from-1790-to-2011-in-1-little-chart/265185/

    By cheerleading a war on the world despite all the oft-remembered memories of the band of brothers and other such romantic notions, you are simply justifying your own enslavement through fiat currency, funded debt, deficit spending and the creation of enemies to feed the states war on liberties at home.

    I know that if a man ponders with regret some of the choices he made he must be lesser than those who rationalize their wrong-doing, that is your plot. I happen to think that reflection and contemplation on past incidents in your life and re-evaluating the consequences.

    Murder begins where self-defense ends and I am hard-pressed to see any self-defense in corpse piles America has stacked up planet-wide. I simply have not noticed an appreciable reduction in the size of government nor its rabid appetite to tear away every freedom and liberty in the name of the silly War on Terror. The US government does hate us for our freedoms…truly and they love the war cheerleaders most.

    Cordially,

    Bill Buppert (sorry anarchist indeed)

    • Mr. Buppert….I am surprised at those here, cheering about the murder and mayhem wrought by the American military since 1951. While many here comment regularly about cops violating American’s civil rights, those same folks cheer on the violation of the civil rights of citizens of other nations by the American military.

      Thanks for your commentary.

    • Indeed, sorry fucking anarchist.

      • Anony@193212NOV….Can’t present an intelligent comment, eh ? You’re an example of why this nation is in decay.

  16. Good article with good distinctions. Respect for vets? Yes. Compassion for them? Yes. Gratitude for who and what they were fighting for? Er, no. And that has nothing to do with them since few have any idea until they career soldiers and it’s too late to switch tracks.

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/11/thank-you-military/#more-43475