Mosby: Welcome To The Horde, Part IV

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Absolutely mandatory reading to absorb in all of its implications.

No fooling.

27 responses to “Mosby: Welcome To The Horde, Part IV

  1. Reblogged this on Cold Dead Hands Days and commented:
    Essential reading.

  2. Sad that JM has so much good info, training & skills and is so blind when it comes to culture & race.
    “Tribes have to be based on shared cultural values”. – John Mosby
    “The idea that white skin…or a lack of pigmentation…is relevant to discussions of tribe, loyalty, and superiority of one group of human beings over another is asinine, and displays nothing more than a lack of experience outside one’s own sheltered, protected subculture, where cherished, albeit false, notions might be challenged and disproven”. -John Mosby

    Culture, or TRIBE has been & will always be based on similarities, values of homogeneous people. Is race & skin pigmentation relevant to YOUR culture/tribe? How about Chinese culture, Black culture etc. Has it been historically? Better decide now before “The Horde” decides for you.

    Incidentally, JM has no intention of “discussing” any differing notions or experiences other than his own. Read it for yourself at “My Final Statement on the Fallacy that “White is Right.”

    • John needs to go on a few ridealongs with an inner-city police department. He’s got a blind spot he needs to deal with. It might just affect his ability to operate effectively, or even stay alive.

      That said, if he offers up something useful, take advantage of it. And put it to good use in your AO.

    • It’s a big topic, Lex. Do you suppose there’s any resolution to it? I think there is, but I’m often a voice in the wilderness.

      He’s got his beliefs; you’ve got yours. You’re both passionate about it, as are most people on the issue. Me, I think one of you is right and one is wrong. You can probably figure out which is which, but it hardly matters.

      Freedom blogs are chock full of the importance of “propaganda” and swaying the masses to believe the right thing to do. Actually, so are the commie blogs for that matter. This is why I think that’s a mistake, except derivatively, and why a person must live by his own values and not anybody else’s. To me, THAT’S what this battle is about. I’m a one-trick pony on that point, as I’m sure you know.

      This will not be a free world, and we won’t be able to live as humans, unless YOU live as you choose, always and without interference or obstruction from anyone. You, me, and every other person. Those who simply insist on obstructing? Bye-bye; what alternative is there?

      I say you should be able to associate, and NOT associate, with whomever you damn well please…just like you should be able to wear a seat belt or not, or smoke a damn cigarette–or even a joint–in a restaurant…IF THAT’S WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER DECIDES.

      Is there really any more to it? I’ve seen a lot of your comments and generally I agree with them…maybe not about specifics, but about your right, or whatever you wanna call it, to live your values as you choose them. All I’ve ever wondered about, cuz you don’t come out and say it explicitly, is whether you believe others–ALL OTHERS–should likewise be able to live their values as they choose, and this regardless of their skin color, culture, religion, belief, whatever…yes, even in what hole they choose to get their rocks off; ugh.

      Since I know you to be courageous enough to publicly state your beliefs, could I trouble you to make clear your position on that specific question? TIA.

      • Jim, I believe others have the freedom to live their values as they choose. Even to the extent where I disagree with said values. Just don’t try to impose them on me or tell me that a fractional statistic of the population is “normal” because they happen to believe that they are.
        I don’t bash Mosby out of respect for the man & his accomplishments and I’m doing my best to tread lightly in CA’s house. I simply disagree with the man’s philosophy on race/culture & it’s historical & future implications on American civilization, specifically the vanishing White part. I intend to take that message to receptive parties & over the last few years I have found many that have opened their eyes & turned the corner.

    • RobRoySimmons

      In your critique of Mosby is coming from a WN angle, please give it up. Honestly WNs are like little bitches harping on one another trying to find the consensus of purity, waste of fucking time. For the sake of argument let us assume Mosby’s “racial” position comes from a very close personal level, that means the entire encyclopedia of Carleton Coon could hit him on his thick head and he would pop up and quote Boas anyway, stop wasting time.

      I want freedom from the social engineering vermin that afflict our society, this includes vermin who are anti-white and spew the invective word “racist” like a MG-42 spewed 8mm. I don’t give a rat’s ass about convincing Mosby about anything, neither should you.

    • The centrality of race will become obvious during the Coming Excitement. One will need only look around. That said, there’ll will – in raw #;s – be a significant number of Jews (cf. this site), Blacks, Browns, and Yellows in FreeFor. That’s fine…for the duration, I will define “White” as whomever points his weapon at the collectivists.

    • Agreed, Lex.

  3. You make a very good case for the importance of co-operation.

    As we know, there are two forms of co-operation … voluntary and forced.

    AFAIAC, one of these is pure poison. We know it as Collectivism.

    Which do you favour?

  4. To think that Americans wont kill other Americans simply because of their skin color is turning a blind eye to todays news at the very least. Sticking ones head in the sand is NOT conducive to long term survival, and indeed effectiveness. I’ve quit reading Mos because of his hostility to common sense.

    • I am sure he misses you.


      Here’s the deal – y’all want to bash JM for his political views? Build your own sandbox.

      Round here, his tactical advice is valued highly.

      Moderation is ON.

  5. CA,
    I’m sure he not only doesn’t care, but doesn’t know. My point, if there was one, is that ignoring facts will get you killed. Please read my comment again (slowly, it isn’t very lengthy) and realize that I never questioned any of his thoughts on tactics. (I don’t consider his thoughts on race to be tactics). He appears to have a rabid blind spot that just may get him killed. I would hate that as I like his other professed views.

    As to doing my own blog, for gods sake Why? I believe that anyone so ignorant (not dumb, ignorance is a choice) as to ignore the real world in favor of a belief isn’t worth the effort to change. And yes, before you go there, I’m sure he could kick my ass- he’s somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 my age as best I can tell.

    Oh, and if you are thinking of me as some southern cracker, I’m not white tho I do reside in the southern part of the US. And you haven’t (and wont EVER) heard me spout 1 word that anyone would consider racist. Thank you for taking the time to comment. VX

    • VX: Thank you for your note. This place is supposed to be about substance, even where there is fundamental disagreement about what that substance is, or what to do about that substance, or both. I won’t have Mosby bashing here.

      That being said, you and I are in violent agreement that ignoring facts will get you killed.

      So let me reply substantively, based on my life-experience:

      Race is not substantive.

      EVERYONE who is not a member of your team is a presumptive hostile – regardless of gender, color, faith, or other BS.

      That, to me, is a fundamental precept.

      Presumptive hostiles have, when dealt with properly, a life span of between 1 and 10 seconds, based on their actions.

      No, I am not saying shoot everyone who isn’t with you at the time. But I am saying that management of and dealings with such unknowns should be at the muzzlepoint (even if 200 yards away) of someone who will kill them in a heartbeat upon bad behavior.

      And I am suggesting that those who believe that skin tone is an automatic “he’s OK” are just as blinded as the indoctrinated masses who claim a brotherhood of man.

      More pungently expressed, virtually all of the assholes I have known in my lives have been white “Christian” folks.

      It’s not the quantity of melanin, but the quantity of asshole in a person that determines whether they are a good person or a bad person.

      All collectivists are assholes.



      A recovering formerly-“Christian”-by-baptism-only-asshole-white-guy

      • Jimmy the Saint

        I don’t necessarily have a dog in the racial debate, but as far as “Race is not substantive” goes, there are lots of farmers in Zimbabwe and South Africa who would respectfully disagree, if they weren’t dead because of their race. As Lee Kuan Yew, former Prime Minister of Singapore put it: “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”

        Essentially, race doesn’t matter, until it does, and then it matters one hell of a lot.

        • Talk to me about all the black farmhands that fought and died alongside the white landowners. Loyal to the last.
          I would like to know when Mosby EVER suggested taking ANYONE into your tribe after TSHTF, white, black or in between.
          Build tribe first.
          Don’t sweat the pigmentation.
          Get to work as required.
          How hard is that? Oh. I Forgot. As soon as shit gets real, your black army buddy of twenty years is going to glaze over in the eyes, shoot you in the back and then go off to join the local Crips chapter.
          God, give me strength.

  6. @CA race is not substantive? ! Its been used to bludgeon and demoralize the majority in this land nigh on decades. Mosby bashing? Surely you jest . All here respect his musings , brutal honesty and even humor. However , the guy like a moth to flame continually throws this race offal in our faces like we don’t have enough to concern ourselves with. Many good liberty minded folk will meet their demise because of their pet affiliation , be it badgesucking , anti-racism etc.

    • The decisions re race will be made at the local and individual level; local conditions and individual character will decide.

      That’s what I mean by “not substantive”.

      Only a fool would let someone in the perimeter simply because of matching skin tones.

      Only a fool would bar an otherwise-qualified ally from joining the team simply because of differing skin tones.

      That’s not starry-eyed idealism; that’s cold-hearted realism.

  7. ‘someone gets in the perimeter’ if they know the password challenge. That will be after a long , strict and very local vetting which in many locales right or wrong will include race among many other identifiers. Current prison population demographics will give you a preview.

  8. Rape, murder, torture, pain, death. Same as it ever was. Seems it’s just the way things are.

    “Looked at sky through smoke heavy with human fat and God was not there. The cold, suffocating dark goes on forever and we are alone. Live our lives, lacking anything better to do. Devise reason later. Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves, go into oblivion. There is nothing else. Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us.”

    To what end, then. To what end are we supposed to fight, if we know that it will all go to hell again, if we know that the outcome is predetermined to be the same as it ever was.

    Daily I lose hope in whatever noble concepts may be offered as a solution to the ills of this nation. Is it unreasonable of me to do so, given that we have no choice but to contextualize these concepts with the ubiquitous perniciousness of this existence?

    “I heard a joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he’s depressed. Says life is harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world. Doctor says, ‘Treatment is simple. The great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go see him. That should pick you up.” Man bursts into tears. Says, “But doctor… I am Pagliacci.’ Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.”

    Call me a coward, or weak, or a loser or a slob. I won’t deny any of these charges. I guess my problem is that I just don’t get it.

    I just don’t fucking get it.

    • “Call me a coward, or weak, or a loser or a slob. I won’t deny any of these charges. I guess my problem is that I just don’t get it.”

      OK, you’re all the above, but then there’s this:

      “To what end are we supposed to fight, if we know that it will all go to hell again, if we know that the outcome is predetermined to be the same as it ever was.”

      …which is the result of the nihilism, existentialism, atheism and cultural marxism you’ve been surrounded by all your life. Our tormentors and would be masters have done a great job of sowing doubt and fear, of tearing down the foundations of civil society, of destroying hope and humanity. There is no “predetermined” outcome… we make of life what we will, insofar as we are able. Our lives are ours. We fight because the Enemy leaves us no choice, and because we are Free Men by Birthright, not slaves to either earthly powers nor any inevitable Fate.

      Man up. Live free, die hard!

      (Works both ways, doesn’t it? Actually, I like the nuances of mine better.))

    • “Daily I lose hope in whatever noble concepts may be offered as a solution to the ills of this nation. Is it unreasonable of me to do so,”

      IMO, yes. The problem isn’t with any answer; it’s with the question. The goal isn’t (shouldn’t be) to fix the ills of the nation; the goal should be to fix whatever ills that may exist with Kurtz…ideally until there are none. “Ideal” may not be possible for any of us, but “as close as I can get” surely is.

      See the Serenity Prayer for clarification.

    • “To what end, then. To what end are we supposed to fight, if we know that it will all go to hell again, if we know that the outcome is predetermined to be the same as it ever was.”

      I strongly disagree, man. That is a faulty premise, and if *I* believed such a load of BS, I’d be fuckin’ depressed right alongside you. Not that I haven’t looked into that chasm before, I do frequently, and it engenders a perversely calming sense of hopelessness. I’d bet that a lot of us have been there a time or three.

      Few things in this world truly scare me, but that freaks the shit out of me. So I back off and maintain that somehow, some way, things will be different, and MAYBE people will finally grow up and learn how to move beyond what seems to be a genetic predisposition to self-destruct.

      ‘Course, my optimistic pessimism says that’s just silly utopian thinking, to imagine that on a pervasive scale. So I compromise with the knowledge that, after the dust settles, our group of family and friends, along with our future allies, will just kill off all the miscreants we encounter.

      It’s all we can realistically do, it’s a start, and maybe it might be the catchy, cool thing that defines the next phase of social evolution. Create pockets of well-armed and semi-well-behaved people and see if it works this time.

      If not, at least it’ll be deeply satisfying, and I could say that at least we tried.

    • bpfreebuckeye

      Good lord that is depressing…You’ve already lost in your mind…For all the bad things you list there are good things that counter them. You take the bad with the good, there is no choice in that matter…Now man the f@ck up all ready & drive on or wait for the end of that miserable existence you have built around you somewhere else…

  9. Kurtz , Its a classroom for the soul – this existence. The Universe is one giant learning computer that is becoming self-aware and we are but one of its programs so cheer up and enjoy the show and be thankful you were granted a box seat

    • As an old soul traveler, I agree with that entirely.

      As a ten year old threatened daily with nuclear annihilation, I once said that I wasn’t afraid to die but that I wanted to stick around to see how it all came out.

      How prescient I may have been!

  10. About two weeks ago I attended the RTC rally in Atlanta. I stood on the steps of the capital with a rifle and listened to the speakers. Now I was in truth exhausted. I had spent the day before in full gear walking a very hilly training site for 8 hours. After that I had spent the entire night in a local climbing gym with our scout troop. I did my share of climbing and repelling till about 2 am. So I was spent. My patience for the line up of local politicians was non-existent. I was not really interested in the inarticulate “militia” speakers either. I had come because its important to support the efforts even if you are just a body in the crowd, but I had also come to meet one man in particular. I had read about this man in a very unlikely place, and I was interested in getting him out to one of our training events. I was not really thinking about him speaking to the crowd. Well, let me tell you he was the star of the event. His speech was uplifting and reassuring that my belief was solid. A belief that Mosby echoes in his “Hordes” essays. A belief that a man is judged and evaluated by his actions and his beliefs. That he is judged by the culture that he espouses and philosophy that drives him. That he is not judged simply by his physical appearance, although there may be times that appearance and beliefs are quite evident. This man obviously follows a belief system that is compatible with my own. We may disagree on some aspects, I don’t know for sure because I did not have a long discussion with him, however his presence alone at the rally indicated at least a common ground. As he spoke the crowd responded more positively than they did for any of the other speakers. There was genuine respect for his words and it was self-evident that the common ground was much broader than a shared interest in the 2nd amendment. Now this man’s ability to lead a crowd should come as no surprise. He was a Master Sergeant in the Ranger regiment. This crowd however was as white as rice and this man is black as coal. Just based on his appearance many of you would exclude him from any consideration of membership in your group. Your loss. I would ride with MSgt Mullins any day.