DumpDC: Memorial Day – How About A New Meaning?

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Russell looks at costs, justifications, and reason.

God bless those who died, and may He comfort their survivors.

24 responses to “DumpDC: Memorial Day – How About A New Meaning?

  1. SemperFi, 0321

    Pretty much the same thing USMC Gen. Smedley Butler summed up in 1933, when our war dead were still a lot less than today.
    How many people are willing to see the nation go to war again, at the drop of a hat, all because the media says we must?
    Question the myth!

  2. I suppose a good many men my age have gone to The Wall and spiritually experienced the essence of that picture. Tough Day………….

  3. outlawpatriot

    Well, well, well. I can agree with Russell for once. Except for the fact that the US military WAS NOT defeated in Vietnam. All thirteen campaigns were won overwhelmingly and with the single exception of Ripcord, American forces never abandoned the battlefield to the enemy.

    I will also go so far as to commend him for his soft approach to a Memorial Day piece. Nothing but truth there (except for the above) and it should not raise the ire of veterans or the more hard core patriots as long as they’re thinking right.

    While not a Memorial Day piece, compare and contrast that piece of shit Buppert wrote after the vets tore down the barricades in DC last October with Russell’s piece here. Then understand that the core of resistance (with the the largest number I might add) to the tyranny in this country are those silly Constitutionalists and military veterans. You can scream all you want, kick your feet and gnaw the carpet, but it will not change that fact.

    Then there is the idea of cohesion. Popularized of late with the circle of trust/panda hug concept. 🙂 Understand also that recently certain elements of III and militia, “constitutional militia”, have made great strides toward cohesion.

    Ergo, to all my brother veterans, especially those that went into harms way, and those that made the ultimate sacrifice, happy Memorial Day and thank you. Nothing the foe without a sword or the sophist says will ever change my feelings towards you. And God damn those that would condemn you this day.

    • +100

      One of the most horrifying sentences I have ever heard was (in substance):

      “What if the whole purpose of the Vietnam War was to eliminate the base for traditional American, patriotic, hard-minded/willing to fight and kill opposition to the Eastern elites’ globalist plans?”

      Think on that a while.

      • outlawpatriot

        Mmm… Nah. Too many of us. Not possible even if it were true.

        it was just about money as almost every war is. Money for people that already have more money than they could possibly use in three lifetimes. Money derived from the horror and death of good and decent citizens.

        One of the primary goals I would like to see is the extirpation of this parasitic class from American society in the short term and hopefully create safeguards to prevent their resurgence in future generations.

        But we gotta win a war first. ironic, ain’t it?

        • Yeah.

          Maybe the official Panda Hug t-shirt will read “Screwing for Virginity” on the front and “Fighting for Peace” on the back.

          Let’s win.

          And then let the extirpation begin….

          • outlawpatriot

            I’ve always been partial to ” fornicating for virginity”.

            But I won’t quibble.

            🙂

      • Jimmy The Saint

        Think of why Europe went so Lefty at the end of WWII – all the continental Europeans who had much of a will to fight Communism had already done so, and a good many of them died doing it. It should be noted that the Germans found plenty of men willing to go fight the Soviets, for example.

      • CA I have thought about that. We have been practicing a form of eugenics in this country for over two hundred years. From 1776 through every war we have fought, our most courageous and honorable go to fight. They die and this drains the gene pool of American society. Many of them die before they can leave progeny. Its very similar to what Hitler tried to do only this time its under the banner of patriotism. If anyone wants an explanation on the pussy-fication of America, this explains it for me. After each war we get more and more pussys in our country. Show me one American who will volunteer to endure what the Army and Marines of the Chosin Reservoir did. How about Gettysburg or Bastogne ? If there is any hope for this country’s survival, it is to wake up and educate the young so they will be able to make a difference. Most of the current true Americans have been bloodied and awakened rudely. We continue to work toward restoring America but know as we age, we are fighting a losing battle.
        Thank you for your effort in this regard CA.

        • And thank you for all that you do as well. It is important.

        • Jimmy the Saint

          “Show me one American who will volunteer to endure what the Army and Marines of the Chosin Reservoir did.”

          How many of the guys who were there would have volunteered for that, if the knew in advance that it entailed? How many in the Wehrmacht would have volunteered for the Demyansk Pocket, the Korsun Pocket, or the Falaise Pocket? How many Frenchmen for the retreat from Moscow? How about Brits for the retreat from Kabul to Jalalabad in the First Afghan War? How many Japanese would have volunteered to be part of the retreat on Ramree Island?

          Nobody signs on to be part of a disaster or near disaster. But, as Daniel Morgan noted in the Revolutionary War – men fight only as much as they have to; when they have no other option but to fight, they will sell their lives dearly. Americans have pretty much always been regarded as soft, but we do have a tendency to toughen up when forced to.

        • Grenadier1

          Its old school too, all the best Frenchmen are buried in Russia.

    • “Except for the fact that the US military WAS NOT defeated in Vietnam.”

      Amen, OP. I’d like to add: Nor did it ‘run for home.’ It stayed in place until ordered out. Period. That kind of demoralizing demonization toward any branch truly raises the BP.

      Otherwise, a fairly good piece.

      • outlawpatriot

        Russell has a tendency to… well.. how shall I say, shade the facts to fit his narrative sometimes. That and the “only” solution…

      • The actual words were: “The US military gets its ass whooped and runs for home.”

        I agree, Russell missed the boat here. The US military was not defeated; the US government was. It turns out that to win a war, you must have not only have a competent military, but also support of the people back home. This Johnson and Nixon did not have, and for good reason.

        One might say this is a quibble, but considering the purpose of the piece, it certainly is not.

    • “Then understand that the core of resistance (with the the largest number I might add) to the tyranny in this country are those silly Constitutionalists and military veterans. You can scream all you want, kick your feet and gnaw the carpet, but it will not change that fact.”

      Very true. Let’s work together, folks. 🙂

      That is, by the way, why I support Panarchy. It’s a great unifying idea.
      http://strike-the-root.com/everyone-gets-what-he-wants

  4. If Mr. Russell would like to meet, and discuss our differences of opinion, I am more than willing to oblige.

    • outlawpatriot

      I’d pay good money to sit and listen.

      Would you consider the Georgia PatCon in August as the venue? Maybe Peter could work that out.

      I would want a front row seat. I’m sure there would be others as well.

  5. Anonymous

    War is the ultimate big government program. There is more than one reason for war, and the reasons reinforce each other. Some of the purposes of war include: To distract everyone from the failures of domestic central planning, by providing a scapegoat for privation. To transfer tax money to war industry cronies. To develop public support for spending far more tax money than in peacetime. To make politicians important and thought highly of by pretending they are defending the people from being overrun. To make politicians powerful by creating more patronage for them to dispense. To make political methods appear like the only methods that will work. To kill off lower-middle class young men who might otherwise compete with elites militarily. To kill off middle class young men who might otherwise compete with elites intellectually. To ruin the business plans of upper-middle class older men who might otherwise compete with elites in honest business. To take a whole bunch of existing capital goods and blow them up, which would otherwise be used to make the middle class rich and out of the rat race. To prevent the creation of another whole bunch of capital goods, which would otherwise be used to make the middle class rich and out of the rat race.

    • Jim Klein

      True in the big picture, but individuals make decisions only for themselves, or at least by themselves. So the judgment of them should be THEIR motivations and not the motivations of the tyrants for whom they work, nor even the results. Though it’s gotta be noted that when it comes to brass tacks, you can only judge a person on what they’re DOING at that moment, not the motivations that led them to do it. But Memorial Day is to memorialize, not engage in battle.

      I think Memorial Day is (was, should be) about the motivations of the individuals, particularly the fallen ones, who did what they did and not the underlying political bullshit that led it to happen in the first place.

      I don’t get the impression that Russell ignores that and Sean wrote a masterpiece on that very point…the motivations of those who did what they did. Like most things that most people do, all good on the individual level. He mentions his disagreements with Russell now, and I for one would be grateful to hear what they are, at least on this particular topic.

      • “I think Memorial Day is (was, should be) about the motivations of the individuals, particularly the fallen ones…”

        Yeah, except that politicians use the occasion to wrap the flag around themselves, which is kinda distracting to your suggestion.

        I think Anonymous above has put together a very fine list of reasons. I wish people would look at it and think about it.

  6. Simon Jester

    And while we ponder the ultimate purposes and players in history, the war to wipe out America is fought on many levels. Like the first “lady” who exhorts your children to monitor your speech and punish thought-crime. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/19/michelle-obama-would-like-students-to-monitor-family-members-for-racial-insensitivity/

    • Just following in the footsteps of conservatives in the ’70’s with their D.A.R.E. program, telling kids to rat out their parents for smoking pot. What goes around, comes around…