A Message From Washington State: Our Fight Is Your Fight


Via the Patrick Henry Society:

Readers of PHS lately have seen a lot of articles about the ongoing gun rights fight here in WA. You might think it doesn’t apply to you because you don’t live here in the Pacific Northwest. You would be so very wrong; what we are fighting here in our state is coming to yours. For some of you, it’s already there. You might think that us fighting over taking open carry firearms into the state legislature viewing galleries is a stupid argument and one that you don’t care about. Again, you’d be wrong. If you’re an American who values freedom, you should care very much about what’s going on here in Washington…regardless of where you live.

One of the questions we keep hearing here about the ban on open carry in the legislative galleries is “What’s the big deal? So you can’t bring your rifle into the gallery. Why do you even NEED to?” Even those who claim to support the Second Amendment say these things; almost as if we need to ensure that the exercise of our rights is only done 1) in areas where no one can possibly see and be afraid of us, and 2) if we demonstrate that we have a “need” to exercise it there, at that time and in that fashion.

The problem with this school of thought is inherent, and shows a basic misunderstanding of what rights are. Rights can be exercised at any time, for any reason, without first having to prove a “need” or justification for their exercise. In fact, as I’ve discussed here before, the second that you allow the infringement of your rights because of someone else’s fear or offense, you’ve handed them the key to take ALL of your rights.

In the case of the State House and Senate, they are “reinterpreting” existing rules about ‘props’, such as signs, buttons, or other things generally used in a demonstration being banned from the gallery. They have decided that firearms are now props. Make no mistake—firearms are not props.

One person, while explaining to me why these rules should be enforced, said that “The galleries are a place to observe government, not protest government.”

The Declaration of Independence disagrees:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. [emphasis added]

The Washington State Constitution also weighs in with its first sentence:

All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.

At no time in either document does it say that the government grants these rights; they are inherent. It is the government’s job to protect and maintain these rights, not infringe upon them or find creative ways to strip them away. If the government only derives its power from the consent of the governed, in whom all political power resides, and if the entire purpose of government’s existence is to protect and maintain those inherent rights, then the only possible course of action is for the government and its agents to stand down in this matter. In short, they have absolutely no right to tell the citizens they cannot view the proceedings of their own government while armed. They have no power to dictate the exercise of the citizens’ rights…period.

Legislators have decided that openly carried firearms are not arms, protected by the Second Amendment. Instead, they have been reclassified as props—which, by the way, are also protected, just under the First Amendment instead. Seemingly, it does not matter if the firearm in question is loaded or not; according to their rules, a loaded and holstered handgun carried on a man’s hip is still a prop. At what point, pray tell, does the legislature consider it arms, protected by the Second Amendment? This is another example of “Yes, but.” Yes, the Second Amendment of the Constitution protects your right to bear arms, and so does the Washington State Constitution, but… we’ve decided that you can’t exercise that right here in the Capitol while viewing the proceedings of your own government, which exists to protect that exact right you’re trying to exercise.

The real irony comes when you do go ahead and load that firearm. It is still considered a prop, but now you’re also looked at as a threat. It’s supposedly still not protected under the Second Amendment, according to these people, but it’s a threat. They are afraid of you, because you are openly carrying a firearm, I mean, a prop…

Read the rest.

Support these folks however you can.

And take a careful read through this “Carrots & Sticks” essay.

41 responses to “A Message From Washington State: Our Fight Is Your Fight

  1. Reblogged this on Starvin Larry and commented:
    I’ve mentioned many times recently that this Bloomberg et-al caused BS is coming to a state near all of us very soon.
    We all need to help those in Wa. fight this stuff-or Bloomberg, Ms. Watts and friends are going to get similar BS enacted one state at a time.

    • Sounds like a me Bloomberg is the problem

      • It’s not just Bloomberg-he’s got people working in at least 12 states trying to get similar BS on the ballot,and he’s got all the rest of usual anti-gun zealots and groups helping him.
        The problem is they are making an organized effort,backed by lots of big money and very few of the pro-gun groups are doing a damn thing to stop this kind of shit.

  2. The Carrot says “I’ll work with you on your terms, follow your rules, and in exchange you’ll give me more political power.”

    Translation: The carrot will give aid and support to the government when it beats up on some other victim. The carrot joins the government, swears an oath of fealty, and becomes part of the overall liberty-reducing problem. What additional obedience to gun registration schemes, tax payments, squealing, or other power-centralizing benefits has government gained from Republican voters in return for whatever concealed carry legislative stuff the linked essay credits Gottlieb with achieving? Carry permits are a registration scheme. Government gets better data about whose hivethink conditioning isn’t working if it allows permits. There’s no downside, as uncoordinated single individuals firing their carry pistols are zero threat.

    But a law enforcement organization choosing to not enforce a law at an event is not the same thing as protecting people at other times and in other places from that law.


    Matt Shea introduced a bill to repeal 594. And many other Carrots are on the move — from Gottlieb’s court case to get some parts of 594 thrown out to a law enforcement group’s attempt to make having your Concealed Pistol License count as your background check. None of these efforts have born fruit yet, but they are the only way we can continue to experience the freedom we claimed on Dec 13.

    Why are those Carroty ways the only way to continue to experience the freedom they claimed on Dec 13? There’s no support given at all for that idea, it’s just dropped into the text as if it was a conclusion the author had built up to.

    Since the Sticky event thing worked, just keep doing it. Thousands carrying rifles on Dec 14 to protect people at other times and in other places from that law. Likewise on Dec 15, 16, and so on.

    One Carrot that did win without Stick support is Gandhi.

    When Gandi did a public appearance his people rioted, and the British couldn’t stop it because they were outnumbered a thousand to one. Gandhi didn’t call for these riots in his public speeches. MLK also preached nonviolence submission in his public speeches, but in reality MLK was protected by the armed guards of the Deacons for Defense and Justice. I suspect Gandhi knew full well that the riots were an indispensable part of his strategy.

    It’s really rare for the people as a whole to get more free simply as a result of violating unjust laws.

    Is that actually true? If it is true, is it because the method is attempted but doesn’t work, or because the method isn’t attempted?

    Rosa Parks didn’t write any laws. Nor did Malcolm X. They just resisted.

    The blacks became free when the Deacons stopped the KKK-LEO from terrorizing them. JFK claiming credit some time later and writing laws didn’t free anyone, the KKK-LEO had already been stopped by the Deacons.

    (And wear suits and professional clothing when possible. I know you are more comfortable in your Carhartts — so am I. But you are the front lines of liberty. Dress like it.)

    Because if you don’t, you will never get enough signatures when you canvas the neighborhood for your party’s slate of electoral voting candidates. Free people wear whatever they want, because they do not attempt to vote their way to freedom.

  3. Thank’s for posting this. As someone who lives “behind the lines” as it were I can say that your “state” is heading this way fast no matter where you currently reside. There are commie quislings everywhere that want you dis armed so that you will be far easier to bend or break when the time comes.

    • That is why we need more Patriots to start moving to areas to form tribe,communities, towns, counties, states…

      • Would if I could, but I can’t. Divorced joint custody. Not leaving my kids to this shithole, I would rather stand. I have made peace with what that may mean. I agree with you though. Perhaps there are others like me in my AO. I have seen a couple of gadsdens flying proudly. It crossed my mind to just stop and say howdy.

      • Nice loser advice you offer.

  4. Living in Florida I am reminded that even as far away as the State of Washington the commie gun grabbers just want to put the tip in, just for a second, to see how it feels. And they never stop…..First one limit then a 100 limits on gun ownership and they never stop. Ever.

    • Yes. They always want “reasonable compromise” for a nibbling away of rights. But they never compromise with us for a restoration of rights. Ratchet.

  5. I would merely note that Carrots give us Bo(eh)ners.

  6. Like with everything, the masses are trained to obey – no matter what. they can push anything on gun owners because they know most of not all will fall in line. Being a law abiding citizen is requirement #1 in the gun owner handbook.

    It’s really a civil rights issue at this point.

    No one is going to tell black to not be black if they wanna go in this place. No one is going to tell homos to leave their gayness outside if they choose to enter and sure as hell no one will tell a Muslim to leave ther religion outside….

  7. ” If the government only derives its power from the consent of the governed, in whom all political power resides, and if the entire purpose of government’s existence is to protect and maintain those inherent rights, then the only possible course of action is for the government and its agents to stand down in this matter.”

    Meanwhile, back here on planet Earth…

    Nice article, except that it depends at base on a religious notion, the existence of “rights”. Better to just dispense with the religion, understand that all people, inside the legislature and out of it are driven by self interest, and say we are not going to put up with the new law, and will kill anyone who attempts to enforce it.

    • “…say we are not going to put up with the new law, and will kill anyone who attempts to enforce it.”

      Almost funny…when ALL the dust settles, however long it takes, it’s going to come down to nothing more than that.

    • “we are not going to put up with the new law, and will kill anyone who attempts to enforce it.”

      In so many comments on so many sites, I see people state that they will “die for my rights”. Bullshit. This is not the attitude to have. Like Patton said, make the other son of a bitch die for his beliefs. If you die, who will be left to fight? I’m getting a bit old and I’m crippled up, I can’t do it alone. I don’t want to die for my rights, but I am willing to kill as many usurpers as I can. The list is long and growing.

  8. Good points made in the article. You can’t have moderates without the extremists. Far too many moderates don’t understand this and I’ve seen it in other areas of the culture war (anti-feminism and look what has happened there with more “extreme” views pushing it in the last 5 years). Gottleib and others can be carrots but there comes a time when you can be so pragmatic that you compromise your beliefs away. The gun grabbers are not the type of enemy you can negotiate with. The last 100 years of legislation have proven that.

  9. Odin's Ravens

    One thing about these protests is that people need to start dressing a little neater. John Mosby has pointed out how sloppy the militia folks tend to look.

  10. To quote the original;

    “…They tell us, sir, that we are weak — unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed,…Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

    Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us….

    …..The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged!….

    …Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”

    Patrick Henry – March 23, 1775

    I will be there 02/07/15 on the Green of Olympia, armed and ready for whatever GOD has in store for those of us who believe that liberty is worth fighting for!

    Death before slavery!

  11. I like this “carrots and sticks” version better:

    Really though, all able bodied freedom loving Washington men and women need to be there next week on the 7th. You don’t have to carry a long arm if you don’t want, please be there regardless. The numbers are needed. We cannot let the tyrants win. Make the stand.

  12. Your fears are not my chains and I don’t care if you don’t understand it.

  13. Biebold Supporter

    1. “Legislators have decided that …”, wow, you really stepped in a bucket of sh** on that one. Next time don’t tell what “they” decided, tell me what you decided.

    2. Please keep voting: I have family that work at Diebold and she needs the job. I don’t think she works in the “Flip the Vote Department”, but Diebold pays well and, as I said, she needs the job.

    3. We must keep voting! The illusion of democracy is so important to this country, that well, I just don’t know what we would do without it.

  14. The governed are withdrawing their consent. After the election Dear Leader® said that he also heard the 2/3 who didn’t vote. I don’t think that he did because it was a resounding “Fuck you”. It was the sound of people refusing to take any part in the sham that they are putting forth. What’s next? We start pushing the fold more and more and start demanding, not asking. Just like Olympia, just like Bundy ranch, just like Connecticut. No more en-treatments, either you give us liberty or we take it.

  15. Whatever ...

    Whatever It Takes:

    Be realistic and enjoy their delusions
    Be clear-headed and enjoy their confusions
    Be committed and enjoy their shake
    Be reliable and enjoy their flake
    Cut all the heads, off all the snakes
    And finish the job, whatever it takes!

  16. I keep saying the, “…shall not be infringed” part means SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED – period. Everyone (it seems) has an opinion about possible caveats to this one little pesky God granted (as we believe it to be) right but it is a stand alone statement: period. As an example, obtaining a canceled carry permit is (no shit), and infringement. We could go on and on but if you want to limit one or a part of our Bill of Rights, you are infringing all our Bill of Rights. This is just another example of the slow (and picking up speed) erosion of liberty …..

  17. The WA state phuckers will fold like a house of cards. Just like NY and Connecticut.

    People who think they can turn this country around by waving the Gadsen flag and signing petitions are delusional.

    • Listen it’s a start. Getting people to move on the continuum from Red/Blue Stater to 3 felonies a day takes time. They haven’t realized that their new group of cartoon duper heroes aren’t going to be better than the last group of collectivists/statists but it’s gotta start somewhere. TPTB know they have only bought time with Ted Cruz and their ilk.


      Yes, you’re right. We cannot vote our way out of this. The Leviathan will not back off. Government at all levels is slowly but surely going broke. Before they can saddle us with even more wealth confiscation, they have to restrict our access to: “liberty’s teeth”.
      Put the Gadsen Flag away. Scrape any decals or bumper stickers off your vehicles. Start going gray. Buy or borrow Claire Wolfe’s Book about what to do until the revolution. Start locally. Monkeywrenching can be as simple as switching a street sign or turning on a fire hydrant. Let the government ORCS and their minions and lickspittles know that at least someone out there is not some bleating, flag-waving, Romans 13-member of the flock of sheeple..

      • So you mean like throw a handful of roofing nails into the driveway for your nearest Fusion Center?


          Whatever floats your boat, Mr. Matis. I think if you took a page from the Dick Tuck Playbook, you might get some ideas. This guy had an ongoing vendetta against Richard Nixon for years and used to prank him on a regular basis. Remember what Alinsky’s book said about ridicule.

    • “The WA state phuckers will fold like a house of cards.”

      Damn man…how’d you ever survive Detroit thinking like that? The rest, I agree with.

  18. A Non E Mouse

    Anyone who has a Gadsden Flag and is afraid to fly it has already been defeated. When you become afraid to express yourself, or stand up for what you believe in, the enemy has won. This coming storm is not for the timid, your going to need balls big enough to know without a doubt you are the only one who is going to be on the field of battle facing down innumerable enemies, and you show up none the less. If your conviction is any less, stay home and keep hoping.

    • Fly the Gadsen means illuminating your self. Lay off the stupid pills.

      • A Non E Mouse

        And playing super secret grey man-squirrel while typing snark helps the cause how? Fuck you Detroit. Some of us a little closer to the fire dont need to hear your shit talk from the back of the bus. Go on with your TactiFool self Debbie Downer, last I checked this is still the political stage of the fight. If you wont stand now, you definitely wont be coming out from under your bed when the shit gets really real.

      • outlawpatriot

        Fuck you.