Grigg: Tyranny, Defiance, And The Death Of LaVoy Finicum


Will Grigg’s take.

Here’s TL’s thoughts.

A good man was killed by the Feds for no good reason at all.

And thus the unintended consequences begin…


77 responses to “Grigg: Tyranny, Defiance, And The Death Of LaVoy Finicum

  1. hocuspocus13

    If the Feds weren’t stealing the ranchers land this entire situation would never have happened and that man would be alive today

    I heard that the group was going to a meeting they were invited to with the FBI to have peaceful talks

    The FBI lied…and ambushed the group with blood on their minds and hands


  2. Without better quality video/audio there’s no way of telling when the shooting started. That said, my healthy mistrust of ANYTHING the government claims puts me squarely in the corner of the victim. This wouldn’t be an issue if the .gov didn’t have a long and documented history of lying without consequence. Maybe there are decent men hiding behind their little tin stars in America, personally, I’ve never met one though. The “other” kind? Met plenty of those.

  3. I was going to post this at the earlier thread but it seems as appropriate here:

    The orcs lured them all to a remote location where there would be no witnesses on the false premise of a peaceful mission to a town hall meeting.

    If, as is stated by witnesses and seen in the video, the feds fired multiple rounds into the vehicles in spite of attempts to demonstrate no aggression, in what remote sense can any of this be considered a “good shoot?”

    If fired upon in such manner, they would all have been perfectly justified, in mortal fear for their lives, in firing back, though Pyrrhically so. Would it not have appeared to you, as it seems it did to Lavoy, that they were all about to be murdered anyway?

    And, finally, since the feds were there to enforce un Constitutional edicts of tyranny, and acting beyond the bounds of any sort of RoL or peacekeeping functions, they were no more than thugs and road agents.

    As to “hearts and minds,” I work in a gun shop among folks who ought to want to know, understand and care about things like this. I am not reticent about voicing my concerns and opinions (who knew?) but, on this one, I just shut up and waited. Crickets. They don’t even know this happened and I tire of trying to educate them.

    I have a list of folks to whom I forward a lot of the material with which we all deal daily… the lack of response, even subtle hints like, “You spend too much time on the web,” have finally gotten to me and I have cut waaaaay back on such efforts. When their asses feel the pinch, when their families suffer, they may begin to wake up. Right now, they’re more worried about what Osockpuppet is gonna do next. When I say things like, “It’s not what they’re going to do to us, it’s what we’re going to do to them!” they look scared to death or like I’m just the crazy old radical. (Radical… for wanting my country back.)

    Many of these folks are dear friends and family, and many of them know a great deal of how bad things are. They just cannot contemplate doing anything about it that would mean giving up or threatening their present circumstances.

    So, we are, for now, truly on our own.

    Anyway, the truth will be made known to those who can perceive and accept it (thanks in large part to you, Pete, and others like you) and we will do whatever we do about it.

    As for me, no matter how much they spin it, and no matter what Finicum did there, it will always be a set up ambush and premeditated murder for hire by amoral thugs in service to the evil one.

    May God bless and keep each of you and strengthen us all in this, our turn in the defense of Liberty.

    • colddeadhandsdays

      Very very well said. I have had the exact same experience and I suspect many here have as well. I’m frustrated to the point of Apathy at this point…

    • It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
      George S. Patton


      • I mourn the passing of the Great Experiment in Self Governance, and every man and woman who has given their life, fortune and sacred honor in the defense of the ideals of individual Liberty and personal responsibility.

        Now, let’s make the other poor dumb bastards pay for their lack thereof, as Paton exhorted us, once upon a time.

        That time is now.

      • The General also said “I intend to use the means at hand to inflict upon the enemy the maximum amount of damage in the shortest amount of time.”

    • Amen Brother…And to see the people celebrating the Blood Sacrifice that the government offered up to them just strengthens my resolve and hardens my heart to what must be done so my children don’t live as slaves…If anyone can’t see the evil that is being done all around us then they are willfully ignorant…With all the goats clamoring for more blood to be spilled by their master just makes you realize we are battling not only the physical but also the principalities and powers of darkness…Prepare your hearts, mind, and soul for what is coming…

    • Well said and Thank You, Oughtsix…

    • Amen every word.
      Too many Good Americans have become victims of treason in my lifetime. God rest their souls.


  4. CA…I just got through listening to Sam’s last podcast. Do we know who actually killed Mr. Finnicum? Was it local LEO or do we know it was feds? I may be behind. Things change quickly. Just asking…

  5. As one Patriot lies bleeding upon the snow, more realize that this current regime holds our lives in little regard and must decide upon which stance they stand. May his sacrifice not be in vain –

    T Speir

    On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Western Rifle Shooters Association wrote:

    > Concerned American posted: ” Will Grigg’s take. Here’s TL’s thoughts. A > good man was killed by the Feds for no good reason at all. And thus the > unintended consequences begin… ” >

    • Gentlemen, Ms. Speir is close personal associate of mine.

      Welcome, T. Good to see you here.

      No. Our lives are not held in any regard.

      Nor our anger, nor any attempt to right the ship.

      Most, if not all of these good people here know this.

      Some are very poor cut-outs for the regime’s point of view. They are usually easy to spot…they dribble piss wherever they go.

      Most are male…real ones, by the way.

      Some are soldiers…former, or retired.

      Some are refugees from the Tea Parties.

      Some appear to be former special ops, or intelligence officers.

      Many are men and women of good will. God help us, we may not have the requisite mind set and nature for this. Mr. Finicum’s life, and manner of death will, I do believe, hasten that evolution.

      Its a good place to come and learn.

      I lurked here for a good two years before I ever spoke up. The archives are a great place to start.

      I suggest anything by Matt Bracken as a good ice breaker.

      Don’t expect to be handled with kid gloves here. Just remember that most of these men are on our side…and if they are rough around the edges it is likely because they know more than we do, have done different things than we have done.

      I hope the time you spend here is as beneficial to you as the time I have spent here has been to me.

  6. I just started Reading Mr. Finicum’s book “Only By Blood and Suffering” .. and the first words of the the first Chapter, Cat, Starts off with Isaiah 13:14 then:

    “January 27th”

    Mr. Finicum was murdered January 26th … sends chills up my spine.

    • Just ordered some of Mr. Finicum’s books through this link;

      $19/ea but it is the family website it appears, let’s buy them out today!

      They also have Tee shirts & bumper stickers.

      • bought one

      • Thank you for that. After reading Wirecutter’s post, I added his information to my blog as well, with a link to Finicum’s online store at his official page for the book. I noted as well that on the “store page” there is an address that I assume would be okay for the mailing of cash and notes of sympathy for those who would like to offer support to the family in this difficult time.

      • Done. Thanks for finding that. Much rather have hard copy anyway! And yeah they should be sold out. If you consider yourself a patriot and you can spare $20 bucks do it. Then read the book n pass it on to someone who SHOULD read it as well.

      • Bought one of everything…

    • If I’m not mistaken, January 27th was to be Lavoy Finicum’s 56th Birthday.

  7. We’re still arguing over why the War of Northern Aggression was fought. At least most here have at least heard of it. History is written by the victor and I suspect that war is completely omitted from the current textbooks.

    • Well, that didn’t make sense. It was directed at “ignoble cause.” States rights is not ignoble and is exactly what is at the root of this issue.

  8. TheRightSite

    Lavoy was a cowboy thru and thru… no way he had a 9mm tucked away. You can see the body language in the vid. He is trying to draw fire away from his daughter and the other woman. He is pointing to himself. “shoot me, shoot me…” He is not menacing at all. he is waving and pointing. This is courage and sacrifice.

    • I agree with you here: “he was drawing fire away from the (actually, other occupants; Victoria was not his daughter, by the way) and I see that clearly.

      I don’t know if he had a gun…there is a report that the Grant Co. Sheriff asked the men to come to the meeting unarmed.

      There are knowable facts…and I believe we will know them.

      For now, my belief is that these men were set up to ride into an ambush, by at least one person they apparently believed could be trusted.

      • Yes. That is my interpretation of the body language as well. I had tears in my eyes.

        The smearing of LaVoy is in full battle mode. It is up to us to turn the tables and make those doing the smearing look inhumane and unfeeling. The fellow travellers of course won’t budge, but the squishy middle has their finger to the wind.

    • Matthew Wilbanks

      Look, I think the Feds behavior has been abhorrent but I need to clear up some bad information going around. First off, your claim that “no way he had a 9mm tucked away” has been proven to be complete nonsense. Look at the photo of him in this article and you can clearly see the butt of a semi-auto in his shoulder holster under his left arm:

      Second, it is impossible to tell from the video exactly when the shooting began. Was he hit and reaching for a wound? Or was he reaching for his gun? The Feds claimed in their statement afterwards that they found a semi-auto 9mm on him.

      None of this changes the fact that they could have easily arrested him and Ammon during one of their face to face meetings in the days before. They obviously wanted to get them in a “trapped rat” situation with no witnesses but their own cameras. His death is still a tragedy but given the facts above it will be very easy for them to make the case that they felt he was about to draw on them.

      • Matthew, you CAN’T clearly see it, but he is wearing a shoulder rig in that picture – for his 1911. Not 9mm. And if he was going for a gun, why not the revolver on his right hip? And… oh nevermind.
        I don’t believe in magic. LaVoy was murdered, they could have tased him, there were other alternatives, but he is not represented by a vociferous, rioting, lawless minority. He was an old white guy, who made sense. Let’s be honest, if his “group” (us) were like so many others, how many cities would be on fire right now? Would we be granted an ‘area’ to ‘express our discontent’? Let’s be honest here… if we were black, or gay, or moslem; we – without real fear of retribution – would not be at our computers, we would be out fucking shit up, lighting shit on fire, and shooting motherfuckers. “They” pull shit like this because – so far, anyway – there’s been no ‘comeuppance’… That time, sadly, draws near. Because I believe when “we” do “go off “; it won’t stop until either all of “them” or all of “us” are finished. Choose today who you will serve….
        Payback is a bitch, motherfucker…

  9. Mr. Griggs piece is sublime. I hope everyone gets to read it.

    • Damn right. That image of chief Bigfoot and its similarity to LaVoy is uncanny.
      People need to see those two images together.

    • Yes. I enjoyed reading both pieces. I will be gardening with them liberally, and I hope others do so as well. We can only rely on ourselves; expecting the propaganda wing of Mordor to be “fair and balanced” is almost touching in its naïveté.

  10. Shinmen Takezo

    I made some comments in other threads here about government counter-bloggers coming out of the wood-work like termites… here is one such thread where the tool of “ridicule” is employed with a back-hoe….

    You will note the one under the name of Nikolai is relentless.

    Perhaps some of you here can go there, register (done in seconds there FYI) and give this feck something to set him back on his ass. Actually I am wondering if this clowns IP address can be traced to see who butters his bread–can it be done?

  11. Let’s not forget to keep an eye on how the feds handle the rest of the people still holed up.

    • Yes. And not just the ones “holed up”, but also the ones in custody. I am reminded of how Edgar Steele was treated after being set up by the Fedgoons for a putative, hamfisted set-up for allegedly hiring a Fedgoon “hit man” to kill his wife. While in custody, they played the prisoner transport shuffle game among other tactics to make it impossible for his family to know where he was and/or be in communication with him. His big crime was being a defense attorney for white nationalist groups, and advocating opposition to Mordor and Team Rainbow Skittles. He conveniently died early in prison, and none of my children’s age cohort even know who he is.

      That is what I fear for the Bundy occupiers. This Regime is far more vicious and third-world banana republic heavy handed in its almost insatiable lust for retributive payback – not justice – than most Americans realize.

  12. Shinmen Takezo,
    There were several comments on the prior thread about popular sites being compromised and now acting as honeypots for intelligence collection for Mordor, including the salting of comment threads with paid psy ops professionals. This is all true, and people should be aware.

    The best course of action I have found is to engage minimally. The unpaid, diehard Progressive trolls on the Finicum FB page immediately attacked my character etc instead of addressing the concerns raised. I simply replied that it was interesting that they chose to attack me personally, using the false information trail crumbs I leave available for public viewing, instead of addressing the valid points of concern raised about the issue. I see from my notifications that they have responded, but I will not. My final comment was enough.

    WRT to this latest development, personally, I don’t see engaging in a war of words with the Fabians helpful. It is allowing them to choose the battlefield and the terms of engagement. They are directed to engage you, to draw you out, so that they can nitpick at minor points and frame the discussion as you being the unreasonable one and therefore your positions and your beliefs can be marginalized and ridiculed. It’s actually in the training manuals. My personal favorite is being called “unstable” (coz you know us little wimmins are, right? all hormonal ‘n stuff…) when I ask questions that the pys ops team doesn’t have a pre-packaged answer for. You do understand that the funding for the British GCHQ internet psy ops surveillance teams rivals any other black-budget item in the British national Intelligence toolkit? Understand that the same resources are being deployed here domestically within similar mirror US agencies.

    That being said, I refuse to engage where I am being set up as a “kook” for questioning the actions of the Fedgoons. I just recently was confronted IRL by someone who took the position that the released video demonstrated that the Fedgoons were justified in the shoot, as he was “clearly reaching for his weapon”. I don’t know whether they are a “true believer” ideological zealot or a paid fedgoon.

    My response? “The people installed in this Regime have yet to be honest about anything they had done since they assumed power. They have taken extraordinary steps to conceal the truth from the American people on almost every issue. Why would this be any different?”

    I remained silent and refused to speak further.

    Of course, I got a mocking, derisive response, which I refused to acknowledge or address AND the people around me were taking note. I was not the one getting the sidewise glances and I did get a slight smile or two from others.

    Second instance. An acquaintance of one of my adult children was gloating about the shoot. This individual had been quite active on social media demanding that the Fedgoons go in “guns blazing” and “blow their brains out” for “daring” to challenge Federal supremacy on “our” land. His rant and his gloating was semi-unhinged in its passion and intensity.

    Now – I have strong feelings about what when down at Malheur, too. But I let him finish his spiel, and then just simply said:

    “What I saw on the released video was a man they watched die and bleed out without even attempting to render aid. I’m not sure how that is acceptable”.

    Then, I made a Full Stop with complete Silence.

    Even the socialist preener wasn’t able to come up with a rebuttal that even he realized wouldn’t make him look like an uncivilized savage.

    My advice as someone who has been battling communist operatives for years – Don’t get into a war of words on social issues like this – that is what they want. Affirm a position or ask a difficult rhetorical question and then shut your yap. In that case, anyone who has had to attend those pathetic “close the sale” type seminars knows that the person who speaks next, to close that uncomfortable silence, loses.

    People around you are listening and observing and also are uncomfortable with the trajectory this nation has been taken on. Many are afraid. Understand that, and work with it.


    • I met you first over at the treehouse and have always found you to be honorable… I’m glad you came over here and started commenting its always an encouragement to see someone on your left and right that are honorable people…

      • Awww … thank you for your kind words, Lineman. I normally don’t have much to add to the discussion, but enjoy reading and learning from others. Most of the time I’m in “receive only” mode here.

        I’ve started blogging again with a sidekick co-blogger at my home blog after a hiatus. Trying to stay focussed about things that I think may try and help people understand the dishonesty of the media in their support of the Progressive/Collectivist agenda.

        Nice to “see” you here as well!

    • Wow, I like what you have said! I think I will apply this as best I can. Thank you.

      • You’re welcome. In this PR battle, we must hold the higher ground. Always. We don’t justify our positions, we make them justify theirs.

        • Do you believe in “God moments”??? I just started reading your blog last week, and it is now on my ‘favorites’ bar so it gets read at least 4 times a day (along with WRSA). If you don’t believe in God moments, you should…

    • Kudos. Sun Tzu would be proud. Welcome aboard.

  13. Alfred E. Neuman

    Reblogged this on The Lynler Report.

    • I don’t want to go down this particular rabbit hole on this thread personally, but I believe that these reports warrant additional investigation and reporting, as do the alleged links between Sen Reid and the Bundy Ranch confrontation. The exploitation of the “special relationships” angle that Canadians hold WRT to the US is a troublesome new development, given the leadership change in Ottawa most recently. It is something that the new leadership here in Washington in 2017 needs to review and perhaps “modify”, putting American safety and self-interest first.

  14. Brothers in arms: we shall prevail; do not despair, have faith and courage in our God and our cause. LaVoy is among the first to be martyred in this struggle. Satan’s minions shall be driven out. Many among the liberty movement speak of traitors and pretenders among this group; provocateurs and agents of the devil are, indeed , the danger to be aware of. Thanks for this information.

  15. False Flag, FBI caught red handed. Check this out:

    Crisis Actors Used to Discredit Militia?

    January 29, 2016

  16. TheRightSite

    This entire debacle should be infinitely instructional for those with eyes to see and ears to hear… IMHO; voting, protesting etc. are a time waster, a worthless endeavor because the fix is in. Someone like Trump comes along and you can just about see the hope dripping off of him. I am not fooled into believing he or anyone else [especially not Rubio or Cruz] will change things. What they do is prolong the inevitable. They give people hope with empty rhetoric that they have no plans on following… This kind of hope is counterfeit. It is a Ruse. Similar to Kissinger in the early 70s with the Vietnamese. He engineered their re-supply and troop buildups by holding peace talks that no one expected to go anywhere. A ruse. Political maneuvering with a goal of keep you and yours from doing what must be done. A false assurance of relief and security. They all lie and they all have the same goal. It has nothing to do with us and everything to do with the one percent.

  17. The days of “wounding” a so-called threatening individual over whatever transgressions are done while breaking some law are gone…..These days, it’s all about the kill-shot.


    Update: January 29, 2016

    In light of the events that have taken place in Harney County, Oregon over the last two days, the official Pacific Patriots Network statement is as follows:

    PPN condemns the violent action taken by the Harney County Sheriff’s Department along with the FBI in the shooting death of Mr. Lavoy Finicum.

    PPN condemns the violent action taken by the Harney County Sheriff’s Department along with the FBI in the execution of arrests associated with the people at the Malhuer National Wildlife Refuge occupation.

    PPN condemns the DISHONEST tactics used to arrest Jason Patrick on January 28th. Mr. Patrick’s safety, well being and emotional state were compromised when the FBI lied not only to Mr. Patrick but to PPN representatives trying to assist with the PEACEFUL removal of people at the MNWR. The FBI stated to Mr. Patrick and the PPN that he was “free to go.” Mr. Patrick walked 7 miles in sub freezing temperatures only to be arrested at the checkpoint north of the Narrows.

    PPN condemns the false statements given to the public by the FBI, Harney County Sheriff’s Department and the Harney County officials.

    Calling on any and all Americans to come to Burns, Oregon to come to the aid of the American people standing against these violent, malicious and deceitful tactics. Come stand together with other Americans, and express our Constitutional right to PEACEFULLY assemble and air our grievances.

    This operation will demand the following:

    – Immediate detention by Oregon State Police of the FBI special agent in charge along with all agents and LEO involved in the shooting death of Lavoy Finicum. A first hand eyewitness account presents reasonable cause for arrest while the investigation takes place.

    – Immediate removal of all militarized FBI personnel and equipment from Harney County. All State and County Law Enforcement officers are not included and requested to stay and assist in the process to keep the peace.

    – Immediate resignation of Judge Steve Grasty, Sheriff David Ward, County commissioner Pete Runnels, and County commissioner Dan Nichols.

    In order to successfully accomplish our mission, we will need any and all Americans to PEACEFULLY assemble within Burns, Oregon immediately. The success of this mission depends fully on the number of people that will come to PEACEFULLY stand and demand the items above be initiated.

    A letter of intent will be legally served on the FBI special agent in charge at the time of Lavoy Finicum’s death, Judge Steven Grasty, Sheriff David Ward, Dan Nichols and Pete Runnels by January 29th, 2016. We will request to escort the FBI presence out of Harney County, Oregon and once complete, the attention will return to the resignation of the County elected officials.

    PPN is dedicated to a PEACEFUL operation. If you have any ill intent, please do not come. We do not need you. Please come prepared with civilian attire and adhere to the policy of no long guns within the community.

    Please come self sufficient and able to care for yourself for the time you plan to stay. Donations arrive daily but they are not sustainable for a large or lengthy contingency.

    We ask that you email us at volunteer@pacificpatriotsnetwork.comg if and when you are planning to come and stand in Burns, Oregon

  19. In Fergusson, the police were told to fall back and allow the destruction of personal and public property. Here they ambush a rancher to enforce the will of the Government. Double standards for Whites? Lessons learned: Shoot first, travel with overwatch.

  20. Where are Stewart Rhodes and the rest of the oft vaunted “Oathkeepers”? Not a peep from them since the drone video showing Lavoy Finicum’s cold-blooded murder at the hands of their “brothers” was released. Why have they not been publicly and vociverously leading charge to have those responsible for Finicum’s death brought to justice (hung by the neck until dead)? I’ll tell you where they are; they are hiding behind that damned “thin blue line”. “Oathkeepers” my ass! Come on Stewie, grow a spine and prove me wrong!

    • You can either be busy planning strategery or you can be talking.

      Formally responding to the video within this current news cycle means you are letting them (the Fedgoons) determine the battlespace, and I am sure they have their responses to any OathKeeper statements pre-packaged and pre-planned with the full sympathies of the mainstream media. I’ve been to this rodeo with the media manipulation of the “facts” surrounding the Zimmerman-Martin shooting.

      Silence is unnerving ~ Especially for the Fedgoons looking to provoke a response.

      I would prefer to wait and receive a measured response conducted with probity and dignity, as is benefitting the leadership they aspire to be.

      Rashness and lack of ability to think through 2nd and 3rd order effects is what created this mess in the first place.

      My 2c. Your mileage may vary. 🙂

  21. This is about to get a lot worse.

  22. Going to sites where the overwhelming majority are on the opposing side, and attempting to make your point, is Like a house painter signing up for the vinyl siding convention.. what sort of a response do you expect to receive from assholes who say Just storm in and kill em all?….
    Ideology in This Country has drawn it’s battle lines, they are sharp, distinct, and cant be missed,Not even by the blind.. If you go into enemy territory, and post a comment of sympathy for LaVoy do you think you will be met with thumbs up and nodding heads?…. there will be no Christmas Eve soccer match among the troops in this war.. Hell, If it wasnt for the fact that people are tucked away safely behind keyboards, there would be killings over disagreements…. We frequent the websites where like minded people hang out.

    • “Going to sites where the overwhelming majority are on the opposing side, and attempting to make your point, is Like a house painter signing up for the vinyl siding convention”

      An apt analogy. I went and made a note of sympathy for the family on the Finicum FB page. The Progs descended on it = the Finicum page, not a news article etc and are behaving in the most uncivil manner, as they are wont to do. Their “right” to their righteousness evidently is more important than even a fig leaf of decorum and civility to a family that will obviously be in mourning. I have my big girl panties on today, like every day, so it is good for them to expose themselves for who and what they are to the others silently reading and filing it away. But my heart goes out to the Finicum family having to read through that sewage. Unacceptable.

  23. Lessons Learned.

    Strategically, bring some ‘Black Lives Matter’ to next BLM type standoff.

    Once Sharpton and Jackson are on the ground, there won’t be any more Finicums.


  24. To Mr. Finicum’s family – my deepest condolences on your loss at the hands of a government that no longer understands the concepts of liberty. As it is with a number of instances like this, music I believe can help us threw this and inspire us. Credit and inspiration to Chrissie Hynde & the Pretenders. The applicable song is “Back on the Chain Gang” and the lyrics that apply are:
    The powers that be
    That force us to live like we do
    Bring me to my knees
    When I see what they’ve done to you
    But I’ll die as I stand here today
    Knowing that deep in my heart
    They’ll fall to ruin one day
    For making us part

    I found a picture of you, oh oh oh oh
    Those were the happiest days of my life
    Like a break in the battle was your part, oh oh oh oh
    In the wretched life of a lonely heart
    Now we’re back on the train
    Oh, back on the chain gang
    Youtube link to the original video/song:

    May liberty prevail again in the USA one day, hopefully in my lifetime.

  25. ytz, Great advice. I have had limited success with smacking idiots in the head. I will try your procedures. Thanx.

    • Well, I hope it works. The key is the uncomfortableness triggered by the “rhetorical hanging chad” and your refusal to come to their rescue, or engage beyond making your position clear. If possible, always play offensive and refuse to be goaded into playing defense.

      Recasting it as a Progressive Leadership failure is also gaining traction, and putting them on the defensive. No matter what the crazy, emotionally driven verbiage, I just keep asking the same question: “What was the downside to letting them appear at the meeting in John Day, especially if they were unarmed, as agreed?” Reasonable people begin doing the math in their heads, and the Progressive point of view that the blockade and shooting was justified is coming up short.

  26. I think many of us here agree that we need to see more regarding video and/or audio. What we have to date is not definitive either way as to what he was doing when hands came down and he reached. Could he have been reaching toward a .22LR wound in that area or was he reaching for a weapon?????? We don’t know yet.

    Without all the facts, I’m disturbed to see so many here and at SSI ready to pounce based on this one video. Yes, I agree that the fed have been on a path of overreach and unconstitutional / illegal behavior for a century plus. However, if you have not “acted” prior to now to rectify the situation then this one video SHOULD NOT contribute to anyone beginning to act now. We need more evidence via more video angles or audio to judge what happened here.

    As a supposition, IF, IF, IF he was reaching for a sidearm because he remembered that he “did not want to be caged”, after having walked from the vehicle with hands up……and some of you begin to retaliate in your own AO…..then I believe GOD will consider it murder. Some of you won’t care about God’s opinion but the Christians reading here will.


    • “However, if you have not “acted” prior to now to rectify the situation then this one video SHOULD NOT contribute to anyone beginning to act now. We need more evidence via more video angles or audio to judge what happened here.”

      Dude. How much more evidence does anyone need? How much more abuse do you think the people should endure? I think we all understand the time has come. What is needed is a sound strategy for victory and a peaceful ending with as little bloodletting as possible. Those FEMA Camps will come in handy to re-educate the SJW’s and their prog leadership. Maybe teach them a useful and meaningful skill – like farming and ranching…

    • I think many of us here are gaining quite the education regarding the psychology at play within certain periphery of patriot philosophy. I think chains are quite comfortable for some.

      However, I have long believed this to be true:

      “Silence is unnerving ~ Especially for the Fedgoons looking to provoke a response.”

      Within the limits of two very different responses, either the PPN Call Out, and virtual silence, either is justified.

      Waiting for to further enlighten you before you decide that a set up to commit murder may have been justified denotes a not quite solid core conviction. What was that descriptor? “The squishy middle.”

  27. Time to play Chess …
    What do we KNOW at this point, in the big picture:
    The narcissist-in-chief will try to do the most damage in his remaining time, and there is no Justice to be had on a national level.
    This event, the failing economy, the continuing blizzard of oppressive regulations coming out of the bureaocracy that will stifle business, Wall St coming undone, will all be engineered to maximize the chaos so as to justify more “emergency executive orders” because congress is immobile.
    There is no recourse to be had from the judiciary. (See Survival Blog’s James Wesley, Rawles post from yesterday regarding the inversion of Justice)
    Lawlessness will be increasing exponentially, I think, due to racial conflict, Muslim immigration, poverty, and frustration with people who have tried hard, played by the rules, and still can’t get anywhere. Think the lawlessness of the late 1960’s especially during the Dem Convention in Chicago in ’68
    What other long-term events are on the horizon?
    What actions can we reasonably expect .gov to take in reaction?
    Think two moves ahead and what are the conditions going to be?
    Think three moves ahead, what is going on, what are people doing , what is .gov doing?
    What are .gov’s typical first three moves in any incident? ie: cops mobilized, ANG called up, curfew imposed … What are they going to do
    Start making options for acting to get ahead of them, get ahead of the narrative, work to set the course of the narrative. IOW, get inside their OODA.

    “I think I’ll wander down to the pub and talk a little … with me mates.”

  28. None of this will end until the .gov types are the hunted. Period.