Reason and Scripture in support of self-preservation.
Only an utterly-depraved society doubts the sanctity of innocent life.
Things will get worse.
Reblogged this on ETC., ETC., & ETC..
Sorry I stopped where reverend fuckstick said it might not be God’s will that he survive a violent confrontation. Good on Herschel for deconstructing and addressing this but this guy he is talking about is roadkill. File that priest away in the moonbat folder and forget him. People stood transfixed in Thailand as the water drained out of the bay unable to grasp that they would soon be dead if they didn’t run to higher ground. Rev peacenik is one of them.
“it might not be God’s will that he survive a violent confrontation”
From his mouth to God’s ear.
“The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists.”
Keep voting. Prayer helps but if that’s all you’re doing, I suggest you sharpen your ax too.
Jesus: “Take your wallet, and and a backpack; and if you don’t have a sidearm, sell your parka and buy one.”
— Luke 22:36, ExGeeEye’s Update
I would invite you kindly to consider the following:
To put it briefly: In Luke 22:36 the Son of God did not mean a literal sword. He spoke figuratively, as when he instructed, “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword…. [for] you will be hated by all for my name’s sake” (Matthew 10:34 & 22).
Indeed, God the Son commonly spoke figuratively, as when he taught, “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone would eat of this bread, he will live forever” (John 6:51), even asking, “Does this offend you?” (John 6:61). To be sure, many of his own disciples in response were offended, objecting, “This is a hard saying; who could understand it?” and “went back and walked with him no more” (John 6:60 & 66).
Just so in Luke 22:38 the eleven disciples misunderstood him once again in regards to the sword and to other objects, to which the Lord responded with disappointment over their lack of understanding, declaring, “It is enough” (Luke 22:38), that is, there is no point in pursuing this matter with you any further.
So what did the Lord mean by his statement: “’When I sent you without purse, beggar’s bag, and sandals, did you lack anything’? So they said, ‘Nothing’. Then he said to them, ‘But now, he who would have a purse, let him take it, and likewise a beggar’s bag; and he who would have no sword, let him sell his outer garment and buy one; for I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in me: “And he was numbered with the transgressors;” for the things concerning me have an end’”(Luke 22:35-37)?
In other words, the Lord advised them, ahead of time, that after his salvation work on the cross between the two thieves had come to an end, after his ascension into heaven, as they would go about their hazardous missionary work of teaching the gospel (2nd Corinthians 11:23-27), they would have to learn to supply themselves with spiritual strength by turning to the strengthening power of the divine gospel itself, taking up “the sword of the Spirit” (Ephesians 6:17), for example, with a sense of urgency.
Look at his context! On their first missionary journey with the gospel (Luke 9:1-6), when they were on their own, away from the Lord, without a purse, beggar’s bag, or even sandals, the disciples were reminded by the Lord that he had protected them from want and harm (Luke 22:35). Just the same, after his ascension, they would be without his physical presence and his miraculous protection which they had had because they had been in a training period. Then, when their persecutors would hunt them down like wild animals (Acts 8:3; 9:1-2), they would wish even for just one day of his previous protection (Luke 17:22).
Thus, in Luke 22:35 & 36 God is preparing their minds for their future activity without his physical presence and without his unusual protection which they had had during their training period. He urges them to acquire those biblical spiritual supplies which are counterparts to an earthly purse, sandals, beggar’s bag, and sword, for instance.
Furthermore, the apostles on their missionary journeys did not strap on swords nor even employ bodyguards to protect them from bloodthirsty mobs (Acts 14:19; 16:19). To be sure, after the disciple Peter pulled out a sword in Gethsemane and used it in the cause of protecting his Lord, yet interfering with God’s plan of salvation (John 18:10-11), he was scolded for it: “Put your sword back in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword!” (Matthew 26:53.)
Therefore, realize that the Bible has not been written so as to be a manual by which people may learn about self-defense, how best to build a house (Matthew 7:24), or how to keep their possessions safe (Matthew 12:29)! The Bible does not pursue these worldly matters. It concerns itself with spiritual things (Matthew 6:25-33). The Bible merely uses figurative language at times, parables, etc., solely for the purpose of making you understand something spiritual which you do not know yet, by comparing it to something in this world which you already do know. Would you see this?
Moreover, there are some additional points to remember: (1) The Son of God does not set out to bewilder you when he uses figurative speech; nor does he think that it would be asking too much of you to understand his speech. (2) Furthermore, God does not leave it up to you to understand his speech merely by the deductive process of your intellect. Rather he helps you. Indeed, Holy Writ presumes that you will be able to draw the right inference concerning the Lord’s speech, and will assure you of it when you have done so, because the Word of God is a lamp (Psalm 119:105), and the Holy Spirit will be enlightening your mind as to the meaning of those words (John 16:13). Be assured of this divine pledge! Then use God’s words as he intended!
With kind regards,
Gene Urtel – The Rivertown Press
Was it a notional purse, too?
A theoretical bag?
A metaphorical cloak?
“Selling” as a philosophical exercise?
I think not, sir.
But thanks for sharing.
I’d respectfully disagree; “Christian,” or, more precisely, “follower of The Way,” does NOT translate as doormat or random target.
Christians who refuse to defend themselves and/or protect the gifts of family they’ve been charged with are WORSE than the non-believer.
And what of Nehemiah 4?
“Jesus approved of self-defense”, based on a certain level of Consciousness, while interpreting the “Great Holy Book”
“The Bible merely uses figurative language at times, parables, etc., solely for the purpose of making you understand something spiritual which you do not know yet, by comparing it to something in this world which you already do know.”
Actually, Jesus spoke in parables so that certain people would NOT understand Him.
Mat 13:10-15… “And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”
The Bible should be taken literally unless it says specifically that metaphors and or allegory are being used to make a specific point, which it does in places (Gal 4:24 for example). Jesus (above) is dividing unbelieving Israel (the majority) from the “little flock” (Luke 12:32), those few who believed He was in fact their prophesied Messiah, using speech (parable) that the majority could not / would not understand. These parables were not used to cause understanding as you say.
There are some people who are hard to take seriously. No need to get upset about ’em; just ignore ’em.
I want that Springfield RO compact 1911 in the picture. But then, I want a lot of things. But 1911s da’ bomb. Can’t have enough.
Had a Colt Combat Commander (which I carried in the USMC), a 3″ Springfield, went back to the 5″ Gov’t Model. Best design all around. The 3″ is not that accurate, more gooder for across the poker table than across the yard. I’m pretty good with one, qualified High Expert USMC 338/350, so it isn’t that I don’t know my way around them, I’d just suggest the 5″ and forget about the sex appeal of the 3″.
It’s like everyone today buying these micro-Glocks, what’s the point if you can’t hit anything with them, the muzzle blast and recoil overcome any accuracy.
Well, so let me explain. I have a 1911, S&W E Series, Trijicon sights, very very nice, 5 inch barrel, beautiful grips that allow good purchase, and I’m very good with it, better than my other pistols, and certainly better than I am with any of those plastic guns. Anything made at the S&W performance center is good stuff, and this one was.
But I need a concealed carry pistol, side or appendix carry. I like the 1911 because of its narrow frame single stack design (pause … God bless John Moses Browning). And the compact 1911 seems perfect for me as opposed to all of those tiny ass little plastic pistols (which I just hate).
Old school, hardcore Roman Catholic here. In spirit, I kneel with the men receiving Holy Communion on the deck of the troop ship before landing on some Pacific island defended by Japanese warriors insistent on fighting to the death. No illusions here my brothers. I’m already dead.
Deus Vult! This is from another reconstructed, old Roman Catholic. I look at these evangelical loons this way: they’ll be the first in the culling and good riddance.
As an agnostic, at best, I can confidently say, I’d share a fighting hole with you, anytime, anyplace.
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amen mud marine. when it goes up, no reason not to fight like we are already dead. pretty hard to beat a guy who doesn’t have a problem dying for his cause. all the .gov stooges are dying for is a paycheck. better to die for an idea.
Romans 13 says to be subject to the higher authorities, since they are ministers of God, bearing weapons to execute God’s wrath on evildoers.
In the U.S., We the People are the highest authority. Be a minister of God. 😉
“better to die for an idea”. Yep. Why? Ideas are bulletproof and they tend to last a very very long time once in the public conscious lasting through the centuries in some cases.
Sadly there are way too many Christians (some in my own family) who would rather die than even defend themselves because their preacher says don’t own a gun!
just plain todd said, “….all the .gov stooges are dying for is a paycheck. better to die for an idea.”
No, as G.C. Scott said, “I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.”
One doesn’t ‘win’ for our Liberty by dying for it…if the struggle comes, one makes the tyrants pawns die for their measley paycheck..then continue up the chain to those who sent the pawns..as well as those who support and enabled them!
Here’s a link to the actual speech that Patton gave:
And while we’re on the subject..which WILL happen once things get ‘spicy’ and the local thugforces are ordered to start domestic gun confiscation (as happened in New Orleans during the aftermath of Katrina)….
When Should You Shoot A Cop, by Larken Rose
When Should You Shoot A Cop?
Larken Rose speaking about the froofraw resulting from
Food for thought!…..who’s going to be doing the local bidding of
‘Team Oligarchy’ when kick off happens?…..
Yours In Liberty!
It has been stated that these pacifist preachers were from Transcendental thought. I believe they are communist agents.
My paternal grandmother and my father are devout atheists and strongly anti-Christian. My grandmother was also a devout Marxist. They both pushed this pacifism on me psychologically and physically to inculcate a sense of perpetual helplessness and fear. They also used hypnotism.
I believe that violence is a learned trait and must be taught by a calm man with experience with violence. So many people believe that they must become angered or extremely angered to be able to commit a act of violence, such as self protection. These notions must be countered with sensible and simple instructions.
I believe that all anti-gun and pacifist preachers are pedophiles and abusers trying to prevent justice from reaching their ass!
Hard core truth and facts. No bullshit.
Two days ago, my meth addicted daughter and her meth dealing boyfriend showed up at my home with two more gangbanger meth shitheads. The previous night they stole my wifes car by breaking in the house and getting the keys. I was on my own property,wielding a lever action 30-30. I told them they were not allowed on my property and were trespassing. My drug fueled thirty year old daughter and a 6’2″,250 lb shithead rushed me. I took out my daughter with the butt of the 30-30. They retreated and left.
I was arrested and charged with two felonies.
Welcome to the new and improved USA. We are so beyond fucked!
Lot of good that restraining order did.
Let’s hope your jury pool has read up on nullification, but…
Think maybe you’re using the wrong end of that 30-30? Mysterious hunting accidents happen everywhere, crack hoods even. I’ll say a prayer for your courage. The weeds get harder to pull, the longer they’ve rooted.
What state do you live in anyway that would arrest you for that…
My hometown church was damn near burned to the ground by two arsonist felons years ago, and after open carry was passed here in Texas, some fucking idiot had the bright idea of posting 30.06 and 30.07 signs. I understand no open carry in church, but outright ban is insane. A church who had been victimized should know better. I was further inflamed when I went to my cousins wedding at another Baptist church and saw that some churches actually are using reason by only posting the 30.07 which only means no open carry, instead of no carry, even concealed. Think I may have found a new church. This is an issue near and dear to my heart, with end times looking nearer and nearer, the last thing I want to do is draw farther from God. I’m afraid things like the communist pope felating an imam, brings us closer to end times, and the LAST THING we need to do is let Satan drive us away from Christianity. As a Marine who has been through two combat tours, and blown up on the latter, I thought that was the worst that would be thrown at me. I was wrong, horribly wrong. Losing Marines in combat is something the mind can accept, it’s war, it happens. Even losing your girlfriend happens, but the one thing you never see coming are self inflicted casualties in the barracks. So when I see no gun signs on the church doors, and hear missionaries talk of olive branches towards the third world, especially islam, I shake my head and want no part. I’ll end on this note, the Charlestown church thought gun free zone made them bullet proof, just like my church thought felony arson in Texas penal code made the building fireproof.
New church or maybe New State;)
“I’ll end on this note, the Charlestown church thought gun free zone made them bullet proof, just like my church thought felony arson in Texas penal code made the building fireproof.”
People believe in magic – they always think that the right inscription or incantation will protect them, make them prosper, etc. The belief never changes, only what the magic is called – the most common ones today are law and affirmations.
Knuck and Grunt,
We’re certainly living in the cursed interesting times.
Nothing wrong with possessing and using weapons in self defense; everything right with it. I am in absolute support of such. I support open carry as an armed society is a polite society. Imperative to consider however that death ends a mans ability to choose salvation for himself and seals his eternity. Is there a more weighty issue?
Herschel manipulates scripture to support his arguments just as he accuses others of doing the same to reach their stated ends. He uses the Bible to support his Calvinist philosophy as others use the Bible to support their own. Calvin states that it is God who chooses who “gets saved” and who is damned… a reprehensible and ultimately destructive philosophy easily deconstructed with Gods own words as written by Paul. Conveniently, personal responsibility is taken away in such philosophy. “If I kill a man, God must have willed it.” Utter nonsense.
The context of Luke 22 he references (Jesus tells Peter to buy a sword) is in preparation for the coming great tribulation which will befall the world before Christ physically returns again. We can not “spiritualize” the sword away either. Swords divide things physically AND spiritually. The Kingdom was “at hand” during that time (impending crucifixion); so too was Gods just wrath. What did Jesus do when Peter used that sword against the soldier that would arrest Jesus? He healed the man’s wounded ear. Peter never touched that physical sword again. Follow him through the book of Acts… Read the books Peter wrote.
He had no need of it. Gods wrath didn’t come. Peter was killed as Christ said he would be. Peter “followed” Christ. 2,000+ years have gone by and still no wrath. When that wrath comes there will be war such as has never been seen. Swords will be necessary for those still here. But not yet. The reason is that God has declared a period of grace and peace to a world which is at war with Him. God is not worried about winning. He already won.
2 Cor 5:19-21… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
Read the words. God TODAY is NOT IMPUTING the worlds trespasses unto it. It is why the world is in the condition that it is in. He has declared GRACE and PEACE unto a world which ignores the most NOBEL gesture ever made towards it. With grace and peace FREELY bestowed upon ANY and ALL who would accept the FREE GIFT, most spit on it. That is their choice. They will eventually pay. With grace there is no room for the wrath that will come when God has finally had enough. Grace and wrath are mutually exclusive to one another. How “longsuffering” is God? I have no idea…
Romans 5:15-18… “But not as the offense, so also is the FREE GIFT. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the GIFT BY GRACE, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the GIFT: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the FREE GIFT is of many offenses unto justification. For if by one man’s offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon ALL MEN to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the FREE GIFT came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life.”
Has Gods gift abounded unto all? Clearly not all; but many. Is it available to all? Clearly yes. It is mans choice.
Titus 2:11… “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,”
Calvinism disposed. Read the words.
The proper contextual scripture to use in order to justify the use of deadly force against another in self (familial) defense is found in:
1 Tim 5:8… “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”
Most preachers will use this verse solely in reference to providing financial resources for the family. It encompasses so very much more…
The Bible is a book of progressive revelation. Peter and the 11 had zero idea what God was about to reveal to Paul. They expected God to give the Kingdom back to Israel (Acts 1:6). Instead, Israel is fallen (it is what the book of Acts declares in great detail) and the longsuffering grace of God without Israel at the center (Gen 12:1-3, Exodus 19:1-6) is made available to man. Peter writes to those bewildered believing Jews scattered out of Jerusalem:
2 Peter 3:15-16… “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (Read the whole chapter.)
Post translation of the church which is His body (rapture), signaling the end of His longsuffering nature (the dispensation of grace), God will once again raise up a remnant of Israel and they will understand the severe error of their ways and Gods just wrath will be released upon earth, thus cleansing it, before the Kingdom will be established.
Zechariah 13:6… “And one shall say unto Him, What are these wounds in thy hands? Then He shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”
Gene Urtel, you have a devil living inside you, and his name Legalism. You are also so full of shit that if some one squeezed you, it would come out of your mouth like it does your ass. Here’s the deal, sporto. If Christ wanted us to kill ourselves, or offer ourselves up for destruction to the first dirtbag who showed up with ill intent, Christianity would be unknown, having died off within a few years of its inception. You are a lying, stealing, murdering piece of shit. You lie about the Word of God, you steal peoples prize possessions (their lives), and you murder the Truth. My suggestion to you is that you crawl back into whatever swamp you came out of, and tell your collectivist buddies that it didn’t take, again, because not everyone is as stupid as you think, nor as yellow as yourself. Peddle your doctrine of demons at your nearest Baptist Church, they love hearing that stuff there.
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