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  1. Looks well built. What I don’t get is this. Why is it a standard combat load is 7 mags, and all this aftermarket kit is 3/4. I understand that Max’s rig can adapt to potentially 7/8, standard.

    Seems daily here one or more are saying ” you don’t have enough ammo” ,which is subjective. But all the ammo in the world in your garage or basement isn’t going to do you any good where the rubber meets the road.

    Max you get an ” A” for effort, your thinking and more importantly making decent kit happen. You got anything in the six mag size.

    got a dozen Chinese made Rhodesian chest packs which are actually fairly well made. I can carry 9 mags ” m4″ and 6 ” ak”. Not nearly as nice as your kit, however functional and cheap.

    both suspend the weight from the shoulders, sit high so one can kiss the ground, and still recover mags relatively easy.

    The problem isn’t the kit, it’s in a situation most will shoot that much ammo up, shooting at nothing. Most don’t display fire control management. Under pressure,

    Not enough Rounds to cover fire, and break combat. No I think seven mags is an all aroumd standard that’s truly,functional.

    Hell I’ve got a Friend who was a SF lite Col, who personally carried 10 mags, plus ten in his hmv. A diffent time, a different place.

    Not busting your chops, your trying and I appriciate that.

    Would appriciate your rationale for four mags.


    • Circa 74-78 US Army we used 7 20rd mags. 3 in each of 2 ammo pouches and 1 in the gun. There was room for 2 more pouches on the belt but it starts to get heavy. Crawling on your belly in the woods gets uncomfortable quick with that stuff under you. Never even saw 30 rd mags, Germany or Ft Campbell.

      I always wondered why the stripper clips held 7 cartridges (2 strips to a box) seems like an odd number. 3 strips fill a 20rd mag with 1 cartridge left over. The army is so wasteful in so many ways.

      75th Rangers Bad Tolz Germany

      • Max Alexander

        So what?

        Why is it relevant what you did in 74-78?

        If that is how current your training is, it’s extinct.

        • “Why is it relevant what you did in 74-78?”

          No one can be this retarded.
          Can they?

          “If that is how current your training is, it’s extinct.”

          Chest rigs are what we use now (this past weekend) but maybe they’ll become *extinct* in the future. Maybe you’ll be there.

    • Max Alexander

      Look at the MVT Store and you will find what you want:

      Patrol or Versa Rig.

  2. Stripper clips hold 10 per clip, not seven (duh).
    I don’t like the gear on my chest when I’m in prone but it is pretty much mandated by the use of plate carriers and mounted troops. Battle belts and legacy web gear offer some relief to this situation if pouches are mounted to the sides and rear. As always the problem remains that unsupported troops must carry their resupply on their bodies with negative consequences for tactical mobility. The rig above allows for the wearing of a pack holding needed sustainment items which can be dropped if required.

    • Vehicleborne personnel are a luxury of teams with air superiority if not supremacy.


    • The negative comments about chest rigs affecting your prone are a banality that I see again and again and point to a lack of live fire training. In fact, a chest (not belly) rig with a limited depth of protrusion does not affect your prone, and is in fact easier to get mags out of in prone and all positions, rather than rolling slightly to the side and throwing an arm to the rear to get to hip mounted mags. The kydex makes this even better, when compared to fumbling with pouch openers.

      If you want to carry a ruck, a chest rig makes this easy and allows use of a waist belt to help with the load. The less pouches you have to the rear, including on your waist, helps with sitting in a vehicle (no trucks post collapse?) and also sitting in any position including in an OP or sitting as a ready quick reaction force.

      The MVT line of gear is slowly populating in the gear store as we produce items to fit with the MVT recommended gear philosophy? What is this? I have written extensively about it, but it should be adaptable. Here’s your free chicken, in summary:

      1) Day to day now, you wear your CCW on the belt line. A battle belt will not readily fit on over that, so for an emergency situation at home or in the vehicle, which requires a long gun, you can throw on a chest rig, or a PC/chest rig combination (all the MVT Rigs attach to any PC with a PC attachment kit).

      2) If you have time and the situation is appropriate, you can wear a Lite Battle Belt (the MVT Battle Belt Lite coming soon) which is more of an overt gun belt with some space for limited rifle mags (think 2). Keep the gear on the backside of this belt small to none so that you can sit in vehicles or chairs etc. This Lite Belt replaces your everyday concealed carry that you do right now. It is light and comfortable enough to wear all day, and allow you some rifle mags and a handgun if caught out around the house etc.

      3) Chest rig or Plate Carrier / Chest Rig is the next item of kit that goes on, to support the use of your rifle, and conduct limited activities around your home base.

      4) The next layer of kit is a DayPack. This is NOT a ruck. This is what your throw on if you go out of sight of homebase. It has water, ammo, night vision, PBJ sammiches, limited snivel gear items etc. This is where all that stuff that would have gone on the rear pouches of an old school heavy battle belt goes.

      The use of this layered approach will also fit with any missios you find yourself having to do, from home defense to area patrolling. You can plus it up as needed. METT-TC.

      There is a shit ton of this type of information, discussion and the ability to answer questions on the MVT Forum:

      The MVT gear store is here:


      • The rationale for the Rhodesian, chest gear was in fact to get on the ground,,and still access you shit. Wasn’t arguing you location, was only adding that I like a basic load of,8 thirty round m4 mags.

        Ghost sniper, I. Sure you recall wearing the TA-50 never buckled, in the field if you had to “get small” you wanted your shit, to lay down beside you not under you. Easier access, and much more comfortable.

        As a police sniper I carried my kit high, and my 1911 on my pants belt high on my right hip. After a couple hundred sneak and peeks or marijuana Cartel, grows, and crawling miles, I learned that all this Kool guy shit was for,John Wayne and his homeboys.

        A thigh holster to a sniper is a fucking gouge, the holster ALWAYS dug a trench straight to you hide when butt up.

        When your the sniper,the observer, the over watch, and the high ground radio operator and your own rear security, with the 1911 that’s now packed full of needles, leafs, amid and dirt. Isn’t a great start.

        Max I’ll check you. Kit out . Thanks for getting back to us.


      • “In fact, a chest (not belly) rig with a limited depth of protrusion does not affect your prone…”

        Agreed. It even affords some protection from pine cones, rocks, etc.

        In the 70’s method the mags were oriented front to back and were much thicker and difficult to deal with. Mounted at the waist they were difficult to access in prone as you mentioned. So the chest rigs are an improvement in that regard. Also, mounted higher and tighter to the body makes everything more secure and solid.

        The 70’s method wobbled all over the place and made a lot of noise with metal on metal. And you had to unsnap the ammo pouch cover to access the mags and if you left it open they could fall out.

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