Two Americas


NYT: The Two Americas Of 2016


Thought exercise #1: Is there any reason why rational people could not devise a plan in which Clintonia/BlueLand could trade and otherwise act as separate polities without interfering with the self-governance of those in TrumpLand/RedSylvania?

Thought exercise #2: Is there any way at all, given the current ideological divides in FUSA, that the know-it-alls in BlueLand can avoid mass annihilation from lack of water/electricity/food should things gets spicy?

Something to consider.



50 responses to “Two Americas

  1. colddeadhandsdays

    I think we should drop neutron bombs on Blueland.

    • 18 thousand tons of imported ammo, alone bought this year. That a whole hell of a lot of combat load outs:

      Not only that, domestic manufacturing can not keep up with demand. Then the last previous 19 months have in each month been succeeded by record arms purchases.
      What you got to be asking is who, and where the who, who are buying this ammo reside.
      If dumbfuckistan is citizen disarmamentstan, dirt people land just by numbers alone, (and you can be sure that all fed NCIS “statistics” are “fact” checked to be sure they are “not fake news”, as reliable as unemployment numbers, the GDP, and VA Hospital death certificate rate), is probably the most well armed country on earth.

  2. colddeadhandsdays

    I don’t believe we need to see cede any of our country to them

    • Exactly. This is our country.

      “They” long ago forfeited any claim by reason of treason, corruption and defilement of morality and basic principles.

      Take it all back from them , they don’t deserve other than termination, with extreme prejudice.

  3. Thought Exercise #3: Red Land only has to conquer .0084% of Blue Land and the ‘war’ is over. Blue Land has to conquer 99.92% of Red Land. Which side is better positioned to win?

    • Jimmy the Saint

      And Redland will consolidate its forces how, exactly? Population density favors the Blueland. Red also has virtually no access to the sea, which is kind of a massive problem, since its economy would immediately implode.

  4. #1 – No. There would need to be rational people in Blue Land for this exercise to be discussed. Furthermore, Blue land has too much to lose in the divorce settlement and will therefore not agree to the terms.
    #2 – Yes. Trump Land does not control the military and they will, for the most part, just follow orders. After all, they know where there paychecks come from.

    Of course if the magic Mulatto kicks-off a war before he exits both exercises could be moot.

  5. TE #1: No. Rational people can come up with a plan. But Commies gotta Commie. A plan of peaceful separation would not be acceptable to them.

    TE #2: Yes. Blueland can roll the dice on effective use of those millions of rounds of .40 S&W that fedgov has bought in the past few years. It’s their only chance.

    • Concur, especially #1. Blue rational thought is an oxymoron & the process requires a full-duplex circuit.

    • Recall that Peace for a commie is defined as an absence of opposition to communism. Commies gotta Commie.

  6. No One You Know

    1) As Ayn Rand observed (and Solzhenitsyn famously described*), “Evil requires the sanction of the victim.” Unfortunately, the question stipulates “rational”, which sets aside at least half of the terms of the equation. No one was permitted to depart in peace in 1861 (at the expense of some 6-8 million American lives, if the death toll were extrapolated to 2016.) The Blusers will never retreat from their demands for our sanction, regardless of how irrational that may be or how horrendous the utimate cost.

    2) No.

    *“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

    (Emphasis mine. That tarted up M4gery may be a what you really want, but an old Yaesu “boat anchor” may be worth a lot more.)

    • Most people won’t do anything until there is enough pain forcing them too…Usually by that time though what they do isn’t effective or they just end up dying…Looking at how many people,even on here that still live in cities but oh they have a bug out bag so they are all good right…Bullshit if they won’t get out now when times are still halfway decent then they damn sure won’t move when bullets and bombs are flying… Read Selco if you want a little dose of reality… Sad That…

  7. 1. Yes, but just for discussion… TrumpLand/RedSylvania and Clintonia/BlueLand are much more states of mind than geographical entities, but the closest Clintonia/BlueLand comes to a viable geographic entity may be southern California + southern Nevada. If a peaceful, negotiated division is possible, it might best be shown as possible by the separation of that area. Then we could discuss the secession of the BosWash corridor.
    2. Yes. Some foreign entities (does “中” ring a bell?) would almost surely be happy to help, for an appropriate price.

  8. Sorry, I live in Wisconsin and looking at the Red Map I couldn’t help thinking the state looked like the face in The Scream. Not being a liberal in Wisconsin I can sympathize.

    Also noticed that Red map looks a LOT more like America than the Blue map does.

  9. thesouthwasrght

    #1 No way Jose. Not a chance. Statist are statist precisely because they refuse to let others be.

    #2 absolutely. 1st thing is to cut off the groceries and all other commodities, be they medicinal, water, electric, or what have you. Give that a while, meanwhile containing the denizens therein, then……

  10. Red land won. Red land will be dictating terms in a month. Blue land will try to sabotage everything. They however must never be given breathing space or even autonomy. We have been force fed their shit for decades , now it’s their turn. It’s fifty states or bust.

    • “It’s fifty states or bust.”

      Yes, but without the bust.

      Root and branch, and salt the ground. Mounds of skulls.

      Somewhere to the Right of Attila, Genghis and Scipio Africanus…..

  11. A couple of books cover this possible scenario.
    “Looking Towards Eden” and “Eden’s Dawn”.

  12. -from

    There, fixed that for ya CA.
    Puts The Great Fuck You in a more defined perspective.
    Lot of territory.
    Pajama boys be like where’s all them bullets coming from!?

  13. The “know-it-alls” in the blue areas have bunkers. The other 99.9% will die of disease, starvation, or violence.

    Of course we could just bury the bunkers (even the ones not in deep red areas – if they could get here) with rocks and plug their air and water supplies.

  14. I should note, #CalExit (after Jefferson breaks off) and even send eastern WA to Canada after Liberty breaks off. Trump just needs to build the wall a little farther.

    We can trade with Blueistan, at least until they collapse totally. The hard part will be not letting them back in, no more than we would accept the Mexican provinces or Quebec or Ontario as new states. At least until they are mostly un-peopled.

    • And no one should feel bound by existing stateFederal district borders in this exercise.

      For example, as someone who was raised in central NY state, it makes great sense to draw an armed, guarded border between New New York and the People’s Republic of Manhattanistan.

      The idea is applicable throughout the Kenyan’s 57 states.

    • Comrade Gov. Brown has them regulating cow farts now…

    • colddeadhandsdays

      NO!!! Please explain to me why you think we should give up ANY land in this hard fought country???

      • 1) “We” are an indeterminate size with an unknown but far-less-than-most-FreeFor-believe combat power and insufficient logistics.

        2) It is a civil affairs/policy imperative to try and devise a way to avoid a North American version of the Yugoslavian break-up — even if the effort ultimately fails.

  15. 1) That’s been tried, but usually, the slaves revolt, and then all hell breaks loose.
    2) Yes, they’ll be coming to live with you.
    Plan appropriately for both eventualities.

    • I’m in an area of Wyoming that is difficult in the Winter with plenty of food and energy. Not that MT would be cooperative since we don’t have mountains to the north.

      The scene from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome “Who owns Bartertown? … Louder” comes to mind.

      They can eat their EBT cards.


        tz: In SoCal, they won’t be eating their EBT cards. When the Nacho Cheese Doritos Pepsi, and Malt Liquor run out, it will the tasty, nutritious, Long Pork of the Cosmic Whites who inhabit Santa Monica, Malibu, Encino(Kosher Long Pork), and other mini Blue Hive enclaves.
        The ones who manage to make it up here to Rawles Land will be vetted for lawn mowing and manual labor. Those who refuse will find themselves meeting my friends, Messrs. Wolf, Bear, and Cougar.
        You may want to keep a weather eye on the Bitterroot Valley area to your North. My intell informs me of a substantial, noisy group of refugee lovers who are more than willing to roll out the welcome mat for Achmed, Fatima, et. al. Bleib ubrig.

  16. “Is there any reason why rational people could not devise a plan …”
    It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop… ever, until you are dead!
    You cannot use reason to move a person from a position obtained through the rejection of reason

  17. What has been missed is the error in coloration.

    It isn’t red v.s. blue.

    It is gray v.s. blue.

    And the Gray is winning this time.

  18. The trans-Alleghany country between 38N and 41N latitudes could carry on maritime trade via the Kanawha and Ohio Rivers. If the mountains become a trade barrier to the Atlantic plain pestholes, which I doubt, because they will be needing Allegheny water soon and they already eat the guts of the mountains in the form of coal and frack gas. Maybe separatist intra-montaine leadership will emerge and elect, in the name of autonomy and survival, to cut sustenance to the east coast enemy breeding colonies.

  19. Here in blue land we lovers of liberty may be outnumbered but we will never be out gunned. The 100 Head Life & Casualty Co. is alive and well. Ct & New York’s citizen soldiers proved that. When we gave Malloy & Cuomo the big FUCK YOU with non compliance of their in tolerable acts concerning commonly held semi -autos & standard capacity magazines. Fuck those fence sitting progressive politicians & any brain dead citizen that supports them. As the Dutchman said an un Constitutional law is null & void.

    • thesouthwasrght

      All these years of you yankees telling us to suck it up bc y’all won and all, now y’all are all pissy britches because the fruits of your ancestors labors are now rotten enough to fall off the tree. Irony defined. At least my great great granddaddy ‘ s sacrifice is being vindicated, even if belatedly.

      • You forgot… Welcome to the party Bitchez!

      • SemperFi, 0321

        That’s pretty good, trying to play the part of a dumb redneck. I think you succeeded.

      • Still falling for the statist divide & conquer tactics. Being 2nd generation Italian American . I am absolved from the tragedy of the crimes of the War of Northern Aggression. EYETALIAN YANKEE heard that many times during my 6 yrs in the Army & the FROG. About time my brothers in arms below the Mason/Dixon line realize many above said line are not your enemies.

    • colddeadhandsdays

      What are ya gonna do about it CT man?

  20. Answer: You are describing Panarchy.

  21. Thought exercise #1: No. Not unless all of them are deported or dead.
    Thought exercise #2: See Thought exercise #1

  22. Wouldn’t it be interesting if each state had its own electorial college, you know, where the majority of the states counties actually have a say, rather then the slim area,with high populations.

    We’ve talked to our republican representative, who loved the idea, for it’s ability to balance the state. Of course the idea, won’t ever happen in a state like Oregon with a super majority of DEMs.

    Dirk Williams

  23. There’s going to have to be a clean-out, so let’s get it done. Removal of the “problem”, and then off we go.

  24. We need a divorce.

  25. TINVOWOOT. Remember? There’s no playing team blue vs. team red cuz they’re the same teams. ‘member??