A Message From Bill Buppert


From correspondence:

From: Bill Buppert
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:59 PM
To: Concerned American
Subject: Moon Landings


In this era of fake news, there is nothing new here; the USG and its media megaphones have always done this.

I highly recommend everyone take an evening to read McGowan’s brilliant analysis of the Never Ascend to Space Again (NASA) follies in the 1960s and the “legend”.

McGowan has an interesting list of firsts you won’t find paraded in a government schools (part VII):

The ‘debunkers’ are right about one thing though: the list of Soviet firsts that I included in an earlier post in this series is not entirely accurate. Truth be told, I appear to have sold the Soviets short by leaving out a number of the early accomplishments of their space program, including a couple of firsts that the United States was unable to match for decades. Here then is a more complete list of Russian firsts in the years leading up to and during the alleged Apollo missions:

May 15, 1957 – The Soviet Union tests the R-7 Semyorka, the world’s first intercontinental ballistic missile.
October 4, 1957 – The Soviets launch Sputnik 1, Earth’s first manmade satellite.
November 3, 1957 – A dog named Laika becomes the first animal to enter Earth orbit aboard Sputnik 2. Unfortunately for Laika though, she isn’t booked for a return flight.
January 2, 1959 – Luna 1 becomes the first manmade object to leave Earth’s orbit.
September 13, 1959 – After an intentional crash landing, Luna 2 becomes the first manmade object on the Moon.
October 6, 1959 – Luna 3 provides mankind with its first look at the far side of the Moon.
August 20, 1960 – Belka and Strelka, aboard Sputnik 5, are the first animals to safely return from Earth orbit.
October 14, 1960 – Marsnik 1, the first probe sent from Earth to Mars, blasts off.
February 12, 1961 – Venera 1, the first probe sent from Earth to Venus, blasts off.
April 12, 1961 – Yuri Gagarin, riding aboard the Vostok 1, becomes the first man in Earth orbit.
May 19, 1961 – Venera 1 performs the first ever fly-by of another planet (Venus).
August 6, 1961 – Gherman Titov, aboard the Vostok 2, becomes the first man to spend over a day in space and the first to sleep in Earth orbit.
August 11 & 12, 1962 – Vostok 3 and Vostok 4 are launched, the first simultaneous manned space flights (though they do not rendezvous).
October 12, 1964 – Voskhod 1, carrying the world’s first multi-man crew, is launched.
March 18, 1965 – Aleksei Leonov, riding aboard the Voskhod 2, performs the first space-walk.
February 3, 1966 – Luna 9 becomes the first probe to make a controlled, ‘soft’ landing on the Moon.
March 1, 1966 – Venera 3, launched November 16, 1965, becomes the first probe to impact another planet (Venus).
April 3, 1966 – Luna 10 becomes the first manmade lunar satellite.
October 30, 1967 – Cosmos 186 and Cosmos 188 become the first unmanned spacecraft to rendezvous and dock in Earth orbit. The United States will not duplicate this maneuver for nearly four decades.
January 16, 1969 – Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5 become the first manned spacecraft to dock in Earth orbit and the first to exchange crews.
November 17, 1970 – Lunokhod 1, the first robotic rover to land on and explore an extraterrestrial body, lands on the Moon. Twenty-seven years later, the United States lands its very first robotic rover on Mars.
December 15, 1970 – Venera 7 becomes the first probe to make a soft landing on another planet (Venus).
April 19, 1971 – Salyut 1 becomes the world’s first orbiting space station.
August 22, 1972 – Mars 2 becomes the first probe to reach the surface of Mars.

Read the whole PDF:


If you presume everything you hear from the government is a lie, you are at an advantage over your fellow Helots.

Critical thinking is simply thinking about thinking to improve your thinking through better thinking. Systems engineering is simply examining complex systems to make them better. That’s it. Think for yourself.


Bill Buppert

To be clear: I know that the “we can win in Vietnam” story from the USG was widely known to be a lie by insiders by 1965.

I also am pretty damned sure that ol’ Lee Harvey wasn’t alone in shooting at Big Joe’s kid back in Dallas.



It’ll break my heart if it turns out to be a scam.

But even if it continues to hold up over time and logic, the essential point of the .pdf above holds eternally true:

“…It’s not being lied to about the Moon landings that people have a problem with, it is the realization that comes with that revelation: if they could lie about that, they could lie about anything….


50 responses to “A Message From Bill Buppert

    • anything that is technologically possible will get done. The technology to land men on the moon existed aplenty in 1969. Case closed.

      does tfA-t really exist? I’ll believe it when he buys my 1969 Ford LTD Ghetto Blaster @$21,995.00

      • The murkins will fall for anything. Just because they were part of the hoax, doesn’t mean they were ‘in’ on the hoax. Murkins were glued to their teevee sets soaking up every damn lie that was told, nothings changed besides the disproportionate amount of dependent, obese, drug addicts we see today.

        same as it ever was.

  1. I was stationed in a certain location in the far east, where we were tasked as back up communications for the first moon mission.

    Let me assure everyone that the moon missions, that one at least, was very real and did what is said they did. I heard the comms in first person via very sophisticated (for the time) equipment.

    Interestingly, I now own an amateur radio transceiver that is better and more geewhiz than what I was using in 1968-69, that’s progress. The antennas, on the other hand, were much more of much more.

  2. I know a man who was an electrical engineer for NASA from before the Mercury program to Spacelab. He worked on the design of every manned space capsule NASA ever sent into space and he was on the pad during the launch of most of them.
    I once asked him about the claims that the moon landings are a hoax. With a chuckle of derision he said that over 25,000 people worked on the space program. It isn’t possible for that many people to keep a secret like that perfectly for over 50 years.
    Besides, he said, we had the technology to go to the moon in 1969. The technology necessary to fake it hadn’t been invented yet.

  3. The moon landings were real. If you’re going to fake something like that, why fake it 6 or 7 more times? Watch the hours and hours of documentary footage, preparation and interviews with astronauts. Nope, we did that. White men did that. (and not because of some black secretary with a slide rule aka #fakehistory Hidden Figures.)

    • because they got away with the first one?

      If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

      Joseph Goebbels

  4. But they always lie, they lie about lying, they lie about lying about their lies. It is what they do. It is how they protect and project their power.
    Look at what one of the critical thinking liars in recent time said and tell me it wasn’t signalling.

    There are the unknowns, and the unknown unknowns, and then there are the unknown unknown knowns. -Donald Rumsfield

    Who went on to matradee’ a spectacular series of unknown knowns with an entire cast of serial liars. And we still don’t know all the unknown unknowns. Which still to this day are component parts of the outgoing regime. Which should tell you there are more truth to the lies than can possibly be known.

  5. outlawpatriot

    Well… it is Buppy after all. 🙂

  6. “To be clear: I know that the “we can win in Vietnam” story from the USG was widely known to be a lie by insiders by 1965.”

    Quite possibly we could have ‘won’ if you consider a nuclear pock marked landscape ‘winning’. But you damn sure don’t win doing best guesses on body counts like an accountant. (Which was McNamara’s strong suit supposedly.) As an old movie punchline said, sometimes the best move is “Not to play.”

    • I have never understood the people who insist that the North Vietnamese were somehow magically invincible, nine feet tall, bulletproof, and invisible.

      They weren’t any tougher than the Japs and we kicked the Japs’ pointy little heads up into their assholes in three and a half years, from a standing start.

      Of course, in the Johnson Administration we had a confluence of incompetence, arrogance, and ignorance that we haven’t seen since until the Kenyan got sworn in. They thought they could wage a war without the Nine Principles of War–without secrecy, without a plan, without ever taking the offensive against the enemy. Any second-year JROTC kid who isn’t shaving yet can read about the course of the war, remember MOOSE MUSS, and shake his head sadly.

      It seems unlikely that the North Vietnamese would have fared any better than Saddam’s army did, either in 1991 or 2003, had the US made a concerted push and driven on Hanoi. But Johnson and his advisors didn’t want to do that. They wanted to spend American blood and treasure like water, chasing border-bandits in the jungle, to no productive end, with no real plan, and were willing to do it for a decade, then surrender to a foe who had lost every battle despite rules of engagement that would have been regarded as treasonous in 1944 forcing every American field commander to fight with one hand tied behind his back.

      It’s almost as if we’re being led by people who want to tank the economy, make America a laughingstock around the world, decrease American power around the world, and kill as many young white men as possible while doing so. But at least we know better now, and this could never happen again in some other godforsaken Third World hellhole, like Iraq or Afghanistan, right?

      • The US State Dept. is run by Marxists. I am quite certain that they sabotaged the war effort. Consider as proof that as Viet Nam was ending in the mid 1970’s, the State Dept. was already openly backing the communist insurgents in Rhodesia and South Africa.

  7. As to the US space program. I have a general rule, the more people involved in a conspiracy the harder it is to maintain the ruse whether secret or not. The Apollo program would require the cooperation of over 30 countries and a million or so individuals from conception to launch in on it. Too improbable for my tastes.

    • SemperFi, 0321

      But isn’t this the point of this exercise? Because everyone else believes something, you have to also?
      If I know down in my gut something doesn’t feel right, I can’t and won’t go along with it (now that I’m a mature self thinking adult, childhood was another story) and I don’t care how many million others think me a fool. I follow my own path rather than be another lemming. But most people would rather hang out in a herd, gives them comfort to be just like everyone else.

      My one question to add to this quiz fest; why has no other nation ever made a manned moon landing? Because it isn’t feasible? 47 yrs have passed, and not 1 attempt has been made by anyone except the US…….verrrry interesting. Maybe there is some truth about US being the biggest bullshit masters on the planet, after all, look at our media today.

      • You then have to ask the next question. What’s the point? The US already did, and spent trillions getting there first…and that’s the only reason…to get there first. Why would you go, spend trillions, to get there second. The only reason to go now is to prove you can (Chinese.) The bar has been set.

      • The question can one acquire the facts to support the gut assessment? Or bound out the impossible leaving only the possible? If I can’t I move on. But that is just me.

        As to returning to the moon….. Chinese intend to do so — http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a20698/china-plans-to-put-a-person-on-the-moon-by-2036/

        • SemperFi, 0321

          Yeah, saw that. Makes it even more amusing. And suspicious.

          • Yep. Lets see when this happens. Im willing to bet it doesn’t. I don’t think we had the ability in the 60’s, and I don’t think the US, or anyone else, has the ability now. Ill believe it when I see it.

            I also find it suspicious that we haven’t even been able to get a single decent photo of these alleged landing sites either.

            To those of you who still believe, read the link posted above. Its highly entertaining, the author is pretty funny. He also makes a lot of points I haven’t heard cogently refuted. I have no dog in this fight, believe what you want. For what its worth, I completely understand people’s reluctance to give up on this classic piece of ‘Murica, fuck ya.

    • Without addressing the moon walker –
      have you ever had a minor part in a theatrical production? it isn’t necessary for you to know the whole story, the plot, you need only Act Out Your Part. In fact, the plot could be incredibly different from what you have been told – the parallax view comes to mind.

      Kinda like the manhattan project – tiny roles in a big production.

      What I see here is – NASA – Normalizing Astronomical Spending Activities
      (because Science! & USSR!) was a Full Employment Agency for engineers & scientists who would otherwise be much less employed, and more succinctly an example of Ike’s military industrial complex, writ large.

      • ” it isn’t necessary for you to know the whole story, the plot, you need only Act Out Your Part. ”

        True. Plus, most people don’t deny they launched a bunch of Saturn V’s. They went up into space. A little while later a capsule with some astronauts splashed down into the ocean. No one is denying we had the ability to do all that. Those guys just never went beyond earth orbit and damn sure didn’t walk on the moon. How many people had to know that?

    • The Manhattan project was vastly bigger. The Oak Ridge enrichment plants took down more power off the grid than Manhattan. No dirt people knew of it . Uncle Joe knew more because of moles than Truman did as VP.
      The moon ‘landings’ are but the entrance hatch to the rabbit hole. Range cards and ‘training’ doesn’t faze the echelon above reality that we face.

    • ^^ That.
      All you have to do to prove the recockulous unlikelihood of this black helicopter bullshit is simply grant the premise.
      “They” lied about the moon landings.

      So the government authorities were in on it.
      All of NASA was in on it.
      And most of the military.
      All the astronauts.
      All the engineers.
      The contractors.
      The subcontractors.
      And their wives.

      And so were all the militaries of friendly nations.
      And their governments.
      And the Chinese.
      AND the Russians.
      Because we were SOOOOOO buddy-buddy with Khrushchev, Brezhnev, et al from 1960-1972.

      So, basically, a few million people are all in on covering the hoax up. For 50 years.
      Sh’yeah, and monkeys will fly out of my butt and do formation patterns at the local airport.

      Anybody bloviating gas on this topic has been smoking too much crack-laced LSD, and needs to stop sucking on the hookah.

      This B.S. on this topic can be traced with precision to 5 minutes after the premier of the atrociously mediocre Peter Hyams flick Capricorn One, in 1977.

      None of which means the government doesn’t lie to you.
      But there are limits to the fisherman’s stories they can pull off.

  8. Carlos@danger

    More RUsSiAn propoganda. There are many in the “Patriot” movement that are unwittingly (or not) playing for Vlad.

    • You’re nuts.

      It’s not Vlad who has drafted NDAA’s, militarized the poLICE, stolen TRILLIONS for the bankers, brought down the twin towers, off-shored millions of jobs, and promoted gay, transexual, and muslime perverts over traditional white Christians, executed dozens of domestic false flags, and imported millions of scum worse than the murkins themselves.

      I don’t think Vlad is the problem here.

      • Carlos danger

        Vladimir is just as big a problem as stalin, just better at marketing. Obama, clinton, bush, Vladimir , all have the same goals. Just different products firms

    • SemperFi, 0321

      I’m with tfA-t on this one.
      Most of you are still being led around by the media, the REAL enemy sits in D.C. and Wall St. (and Davos), not Moscow.
      And instead of doing something, we (the American people) still sit here pointing the finger at imaginary villains, instead of hanging the ones who lie to us and claim to represent us. This is what I mean when I talk about being groupies to politicians and TV networks, but it’s a lost cause. You refuse to change your thinking, because someone on the TV warned you of conspiracy theories and bad people. So you keep looking as far from the source as possible, just like they told you to.
      Look in the mirror to find your first clue to changing your thinking. Until you do that, you’re of no help to anyone.

      • Yes, the same people who are screaming against Russia used to love Russia – when it was Communist and killing White Christians. Now that White Christians are back in control, they hate it just as much as they hate White Christians here. And if they lose control of America, they’ll hate America too – just like they used to.

      • Carlos@danger.com

        My friend I fear.your mirror may be fogged. Read what I wrote to begin with, I’ve heard my own friends praise Putin (a bit of it worthy) but study some Cheka, NKGB,KGB, and FSB history.

        They have polished their agit-prop arm, hired some pajama boys, and are working with great dillegence to divide and conquer.

        It is important to remember, the enemies to the Republic are both Foreign and Domestic.


  9. Steel T Post

    The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) has taken photographs of the Apollo moon landing sites. Yes, Virginia, Crackers made it to the Moon.

    Photos: New Views of Apollo Moon Landing Sites

    And we’d have gone further, except for Gubmit Diversituh, our new G_D, as Paul Kernsey shows.

    ‘Whitey on the Moon’: Race, Politics, and the death of the U.S. Space Program, 1958 – 1972
    by Paul Kernsey

  10. My father in law was chief flight engineer of the Saturn five rocket, which enabled the lunar module to land on the moon, in July 1969. Multi agency project.
    Known the man for 35 years now, no reason to doubt his credibility.

    Wife and her brother and sisters all got to see the lunar rover pre launch, in Huntsville Al. 1969, she was 10.


  11. Bill Whittle does an excellent job here:

    The Great Unlearning: How Our Society Became so Stupid

    I do believe that we went to the Moon, several times at that. What
    we haven’t learned is that there was much more going on with accomplishments that the Russians honestly earned that we weren’t
    told about/learned.

    Unfortunately the stupid seems to be unusually strong with the current generation..not that older folks don’t have a monopoly on that..they STILL believe in ‘gov/authority’..and it’s ‘legitimacy’…now that’s stupid!

    In fact, if it was up to the ‘Is this legal..do I need a permit?’ sheep bleating crowd, we’d never even have a chance of boosting from this gravity well that we’ve been born on.

    With that in mind I draw folks attention to Carl Bussjaeger’s ‘Net Assets’ story:

    “Face it; NASA can’t be rehabilitated. That suggests that NASA is ‘broken.’ It isn’t, it does exactly what it’s supposed to do admirably well – It’s a government PR/propaganda (same difference) operation. A bureaucratic one, naturally enough. It was never meant to get man into space, only to beat the Soviets to a series of media coups; manned access was an interesting side effect…Stop waiting for a gov space agency to put the people’s desires ahead of the politicians’…Folks, you’re already pooling expertise on these boards and talking concepts for hours a day. That’s half the battle now. Stop piddling around. Identify workable concepts, develop them into real-world applications, and do it…In fact, if we are serious about escaping ‘mankind’s cradle,’ I see only one real obstacle: Bureaucrats. Those ‘not without a permit, is that approved, zoning ordinance, we’ll take care of you’ impediments to intelligent life. If that’s enough to stop us, then we probably deserve to stagnate and fade into oblivion on one little abused planet.”

    The Last Bastille Blog – Net Assets

    Net Assets (PDF downloadable)

    Bargaining Position (Sequel to Net Assets)

    Btw, if you find that you enjoy Carl’s story enjoyable please considering
    gifting him here:
    (click on the link for the ‘tip jar’)

    Yours In Liberty – Ad Astra per Ardura!
    NorthGunner III

    • SemperFi, 0321

      NG, thanks.
      I was going to bring up the media propaganda/Cold War issue too, and decided to keep it short.
      Most everything we did back in the Cold War era was to show the world we were ahead of the evil Russians, there was hardly a day went by that we didn’t have to print photo proof of our superiority in every field possible, from science to farming and weapons. We ran a race every single day against Nikita, lest we look weak and stupid. The space program was our crowning achievement, and it would only make sense we would lie at every chance possible, for we had to stay ahead of them at all costs.
      And also, the US stole every German scientist they could in 1945, they already knew then it was a race for Star Wars.
      Patton had it right about kicking the Russians asses, the US knew while they were shaking hands on the Elbe that they were the next enemy to fight. But it was media propaganda that had to prop up Stalin as an ally, when the gov’t knew it was a lie (well, Roosevelt loved his ass, most not so much).

  12. Alfred E. Neuman

    Reblogged this on FOR GOD AND COUNTRY.

  13. I’m a moon-landing skeptic and cannot conclusively prove it to be fraudulent but there are glaring and existential data points that simply don’t make sense and McGowan puts together a great charge sheet on some of the improbable things the NASA stalwarts claim. As an engineer, I can’t fathom traveling in a vessel that has a thickness of two sheets of aluminum foil to protect me from radiation and micrometeorites among other extraterrestrial hazards beyond 200 miles from Earth.

    “As it turns out, however, NASA doesn’t actually have all of that Moonwalking footage anymore. Truth be told, they don’t have any of it. According to the agency, all the tapes were lost back in the late 1970s. All 700 cartons of them. As Reuters reported on August 15, 2006, “The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong’s famous ‘one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind’ Armstrong’s famous moonwalk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaluoma said. ‘We haven’t seen them for quite a while. We’ve been looking for over a year, and they haven’t turned up,’ Hautaluoma said … In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing.”

    Sort of like the climate change religionists who lost all the data for their hockey stick claims from the Climate Research Unit in London.

    I used to have the same hesitation because of the vast number of folk involved in perpetuating the hoax but I look at the true believer nonsense that traps the monkey brains of tens of thousands of scientists and millions of laymen when it comes to the scientific hoax of anthropogenic global warming (cooling) and start to see the way it can take hold.

    Way too many evidential and epistemological holes in the entire corpus of hoax denial literature to make me comfortable with the conclusions that man went there. So nearly a half-century later and no other humans have reached the moon? Is that because the technology was so much more advanced in the 1960s, computer technology is insufficient or the data is too vacuous?

    I work with a planetary scientist and I asked him what happened to NASA after Apollo (suspending my disbelief) and the 1972 onwards downward slide. He responded: “It was like watching Romans become Italians.”

    If the government has taught me anything, it’s to question every claim it makes.


    Bill Buppert

    • SemperFi, 0321

      Bill, I’m 1,000% with you on all counts.
      I remember the moon landing, heard it on radio since we had no TV up high in the Sierra Nevadas. I like to believe it happened as they say, but I too see many glaring omissions.
      I wonder to this day why no spacecraft has been smashed by space debris and all aboard lost. Happens to ships and airplanes a lot (hitting things).

      Climate change fanatics drive me batty, they’re everywhere and it’s just getting worse, because millions of people just take what they’re told at face value, never questioning the validity of the statement.
      No cure for dumb people, but they sure do make great sheep.

    • I’m not a planetary scientist but I do sleep on a top of the line Stearns & Foster king size mattress. My rested mind says…

      Fuck the gubbermint.
      Fuck the po lice

    • Ham radio culture says a laser sized for stadium light shows and a small telescope will allow you to bounce a reflection off the retroreflectors astronauts left. Of course this is now illegal. Don’t blind any airline pilots and don’t get caught.

  14. If those missions had been faked the Russians would have been crowing about it day in and day out.

    This thread is an excellent retard detector.

  15. Good fucking God do none of you braindead morons know anything beyond how to pick your nose? Remember the U-2 incident? That’s EXACTLY what the Russians did. They sat back and let USG (and Eisenhower in particular) lie their asses off and then announced the pilot was alive and in custody and boy didn’t the USA look like a pack of prize fools. Eisenhower nearly resigned over it. Now you insist on a conspiracy that doesn’t only include all of USG but all of the Soviet government and military as well? And the Euros, and the Japanese, and all the observatories, and any civilian with a reasonably good telescope they could point up there and see the spacecraft exactly where they were supposed to be. Hell, you can see ISS yourself right now if you care to and know where to look. Space tourism exists. All of this is a conspiracy? They’re all in on it, they’ve all been bought off?

    And you people think you’re ahead of the curve? Ahead of the normies? Survivalists? Preppers? Free-thinkers? You?

    Thinkers, ha, that’s a laugh.


    CA included. A former prosecutor, falling for this? I should know better than to be disappointed by the products of the law enforcement system but somehow I always manage it anyway.

    I swore off this site for the rampant megaconspiracy stupidity before but I came back. This time I mean it. The stormfronters with their Jew obsessions are rational and well-adjusted by comparison.

    Go fuck yourselves. All of you. Avoiding RL involvement with this crowd of losers was the third best decision I ever made.

    • Posted as a thought-exercise on the question “Is anything the gov’t says about anything true?”.

      You seem a bit agitated.

      • Which part of the government?
        To whom?

        As a thought exercise, Rollory correctly dissected the premise.
        Just because a man is a pathological liar doesn’t allow one to discount him when he tells you the sky is blue, and water is wet.
        (A prudent man looks for confirmation elsewhere, obviously).

        But when the premise is logically flawed ad absurdum from the outset, and bends Occam’s Razor into a pretzel, nothing worthwhile will come from further exploration after one crosses the Rubicon of basic sanity.

        It’s like listening to someone talk about something technical with expertise, and then they let slip their Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, or Easter Bunny hunting sideline. A Beautiful Mind was a work of fiction; crazy people are, first of all, simply crazy.

        Best to simply walk away at that point, lest you upset their off-center insanity and cause a scene.

    • would you like another cup of kool aid little rollory?

  16. What a joke…

  17. karen douglas

    Too many impossibilities to overcome with wishful thinking about American exceptionalism:
    -Temperature extremes
    -Van Allen radiation
    -Multiple source long shadows
    -Lighting fixture reflections
    -No stars
    -Extreme temperature film not invented yet
    -Artifacts reported as left on the moon discovered by widow in astronaut’s locked bedroom closet
    -no landing crater and moon dust not disturbed by thrust
    -moon surface takeoff footage laughably fake
    -moon buggy assembled on powdery moon dust, yet no astronaut footprints or tire tracks anywhere

    The moon story is faker than Orange Tang.

  18. “This thread is an excellent retard detector.”

    Some really funny stuff here, at times.

    Most of the time, it just gets down to common sense.

    We walked on the moon. Pioneer 0-4, 1958-59. Ranger 3-9, 1962-65. Surveyor 1-7, 1966-68. Lunar Orbiter 1-5, 1966-67. All unmanned. Apollo 8-17,…8,10 and 13 orbitals only, all the rest landed.

    Open your minds, it did happen. Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness.