MDT: First Aid Gear & Carrying It

JC sends.

Have you checked your gear?

14 responses to “MDT: First Aid Gear & Carrying It

  1. Up to JCDs usual standard, and spot on.
    N.b. that nowhere therein is the farcical suggestion to shoot the wounded, due to neglect of the concept.

    And if you ain’t got that gear, you (nor anyone else) won’t be using it on yourself.

    IMHO, you carry the M17 in a vehicle, unless circumstances dictated you needed to hump that gear on your back. Fully stocked, it’s the size of sleeping gear, and weighs like an Alice pack half-full of ammo, but it’s hell for being able to do anything for someone, short of surgery.

  2. flighterdoc

    If there has ever been a worse piece of equipment than the M17 bag, I haven’t seen it. Its a totally shapeless disorganized mess, when you might need things in a hurry. Plus they’re poorly made of lightweight, easily abraded nylon.

    But even if you have all of this, then what? It’s called first aid, not definitive medical care and treatment. What are the plans for dealing with a casualty once the immediate, life-preserving first aid has been administered?

    How are you going to get the casualty moved? Where are you moving him to? Who will be providing the definitive, long-term care and rehab that will be needed? The military has an entire system for moving casualties to care, and treating them, that just starts with self and buddy care, and a CLS and a medic.

    Lots of preppers think that because they’ve got their CLS bag (or even M17 POS) full of dressings they’re good to go. That makes as much sense as thinking because you have a canteen, your water issues are dealt with.

    • I disagree, doc. The nylon replaced an even worse mess, two saddlebags made of cotton canvas that rotted and soaked up water like a sponge: not so nifty in rainforest jungle (or the rain-sodden PacNW, Gulf Coast, or anywhere else where water is a problem.) The M17 excels at not letting 5/6s of your kit get blown away on a windy day, let alone on an LZ with dustoff helos coming down, which was the point of the exercise.
      I also suspect the cheap, crappy ones you’ve run into might have been cheap foreign knock-offs of the issue gear, which are anecdotally about 75% of what’s out there.

      That said, it’s also not the top of the heap, but things like the Blackhawk STOMP ensure that you get what you pay for. A Pelican case is great for secure too, but carries like a steamer trunk.
      Anything you carry for field use is a compromise.

      The comments re: transportation and higher care always apply.
      I suspect JC was focusing on the primary lesson, not writing an opus.
      As we’ve both noted, it’s tough enough to get folks to consider first aid, let alone an entire medical infrastructure.
      The master plan is apparently to “Let George do it.”

  3. An isreali bandage fits well in an m4 mag pouch. It’s bare minimum but better than nothing and a single mag pouch will usually fit somewhere on gear.

    • SemperFi, 0321

      Actually, a 6″ double pad Israeli bandage, a Quick-Clot sponge and a hemostat fit fine in an M-4 pouch, I carry one on every pack I have. Basic bear minimum for around here.
      In reality when a grizzly nails you, they either rip your face off, or bite thru your skull, so the bandage thing is moot. But I carry one anyway, in case I’m dealing with a dumb bear.

  4. Swapped out my old CLS with a bag from Colemans Surplus. It’s called British Military satchel MTP, $29.

  5. Check out Patriot Nurse on YouTube for her many instructive videos and also her site Patriotnurse.com for when she may be in/near your AO to give her Medical Prep classes.

    Yours in Daily Armed Liberty!
    NorthGunner III