MDT: Getting Food On The Move

The stores are burnt and looted. Your storage food is gone.

Got traps and snares?

46 responses to “MDT: Getting Food On The Move

  1. Fishing pole is utterly silent and doesn’t require a trip down ones back trail like traps do…. Just sayin.

    • Fishing is great. 1st rate food for sure. Traps are a lot less labor intensive though. They have the attribute of working unattended while you do other things. Like fishing while checking to and from your trapline. A true force multiplier.
      And in austere circumstances, you need to chop wood, carry water, grow food, and all the little details.
      In WV, snares are legal, (though those sweet little 110’s pictured in the middle are the most useful trap invented. You can even trap fish under water with them by finding or creating a narrow sluice to funnel fish through naturally, and a couple dozen don’t weigh more than 20lbs, and 24 sets out working will get you a lot squirrel, muskrat and rabbit), I make good use of snares around my garden for rabbits and woodchucks. Kill two birds with one stone, food and garden predator control. I don’t care for woodchuck, my neighbor eats every one he can get. The fur isn’t worth anything to the buyers, but it is real soft, the skin tan’s out supple, and you can make a dandy fur blanket. But cottontails? Now thats good gut lumber.
      Look Honey! Dinner! My old lady loves rabbit stew.
      If you live in the burbs or even the city, you would be amazed at all the critters you can trap and snare. Especially those fat tree rats your neighbors are so kind to feed and fatten up for your next meal of squirrel gravy and biscuits. Squirrel gravy cans up real nice like deer meat.
      Snaring deer is illegal, but they are by far the easiest critters to trap. One decent size doe or buck a month is enough to feed two people if you have other provisions. And you get a good skin you can tan for the leather, which doesn’t shrink like cow leather when it gets wet. So you can use it to make clothes and footwear.

      Lot of people pooh pooh trapping. Their misfortune. It is tough at first to figure out how to catch game, but like good things, practice and patience is a virtue. If you get proficient at it, you can get more meat than you can eat, with the extra of valuable warm luxurious furs, quietly, stealthily, all year, no matter the season or weather, and economically in time invested. No other wild food gathering process can beat it.

      • Jimmy the Saint

        In a truly-facing-starvation situation, cranking is a great way to fish, so it pays to have an old field phone generator or the like. It’s normally illegal, but in desperate times, why the hell not?

    • TheAlaskan

      Traps are how you make clothes. Gillnets, troutlines and fish traps don’t require your presence to keep fishing….just sayin’.

      Fishing “poles” make noise. Ask any brown bear.

  2. Every “expert” I’ve seen on survival type shows that tries to get food via traps and snares has gone hungry. The only people I’ve seen be successful at it are Alaska and Maine fur hunters that use a snowmobile to cover dozens of miles of trap line.

    I don’t think snares and traps are viable and worth the effort unless you have dozens of them, and they are placed in places that are part of your regular wanderings anyways so that checking them doesn’t require any more energy than your regular tasks.

    • Because shows on TV are Truth, right? Please.

      They starve mainly because they generally set a trap, or two-three, one day, rather than 20, 30, or 40 of them, checked over days.
      That doesn’t film well between commercial breaks.

      You can believe the TV, or several centuries’ survival of your ancestors before the first supermarket.
      Your call.

      Your trap lines should be your patrol lines, and in more or less concentric circles of interest. The goal shouldn’t be to denude an area completely of wildlife, but to set enough traps to keep you fed while keeping an eye on areas of interest before your homestead becomes one for someone else.

  3. Nature’s pantry.

    These are wild turkeys visiting on lands commanded by the Upcountry bunker.

  4. I’ve got the local raccoons and possums so well trained, I could reach out the back door and grab ’em.

    • TheAlaskan

      Ha ha ha…you go right ahead and grab one. Let me know how that works out for ya. That’s funny.

      • just fed two fat masked bandits 3 handfuls of cat crunchies by the back screen door. Talked sternly to them and both hung their heads in sorrow and regret. I’d have to be awfully hungry before I’d eat a raccoon; but that time may come.

  5. What the hell are you guys talking about. There isn’t going to be a “collapse” we are already living in the decline. It will just keep getting worse and worse. What you all need to do is make real life connections, all the traps in the world won’t save you if you are alone, and if they did, what is the point of being alive if you are alone. Our country is gone, it is gone forever, it is never coming back, we need to think about the future.

    http://www.knightsofthewest.com

  6. . Fishing,especially trot lines and nets are outstanding. Frog gigs are an excellent source.Turtles,eels,snakes,gar, carp,catfish and all bottom-feeders love rotten,stinky frog bodies and chicken heads.Nothing gets wasted. A chum bucket sitting in the sun is a must have item. Trapping can also be used on mice,rats,voles,ground squirrels and birds. I grew up swamp trapping and hunting. The swamps and wetlands are a pantry.Watch for other trappers in an area. Fall(gravity-fed) pits are deadly for both man and beast.Good article.Thanx.

  7. Double duty as perimeter guard…

  8. WUT? You mean Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s won’t be open?

    The horror.

  9. Long pig eats pretty good…they’ll be plenty of it about…

  10. VooDoo6Actual

    Good read & should be part of KIT.

  11. Detroit III

    No where near enough wild game to support the protien needs of 5% of our population.

    It will all be gone…bear, deer, squirrel, turkey and elk..in months of TSHF.

    this, like most if your posts, is an exercise in mental masturbation.

    • And yet here you are.

      Try some backhand for a change.

    • as the gentleman above mentioned, Long Pig will be ubiquitous for at least a year or two. The remark about deadfall traps is also relevant. Meat can thus be preserved live until needed.

      “it takes a village to eat a Rockefeller”

    • I have to agree that game will disappear quickly after SHTF. We will all be poaching the king’s animals. Poaching for profit will denude all but the most severely “remote” areas, food will be so in demand and rewards for providing it so rich. Fish even more quickly, so many will do it.

      • Detroit III

        Don’t let CA (Pete) hear this. Dont want reality to interfere with his wet dreams.

    • Yeah, I remember how helpful the info was in the last post you wrote…… Sitting in your basement with a bag of doritos and an orange dick while trying to dissect and criticize what others have done to try and help is the only form of “mental masturbation” I’ve seen around here, and a number of the commentariat are guilty of doing it. Do push ups!

      • Detroit III

        At least Im not.some ghoul trying to cash-in on fear.

        • Your rebuttal is to call me a name and accuse me of “Cashing in” on peoples fear? Please explain how I’m “cashing in”? I don’t make anything off of this blog and what I write on it, and when was the last time you heard me promote an upcoming class? Most of my posts are based on questions people ask me via email, phone or social media, and instead of repeating myself ad nauseam, I usually just write a post about what i recommend. Please explain to the “class” how many guys you know would take of the very limited free time they have to write something that is meant to give people guidance and ideas on what direction to go in their preps and without any compensation? We’ll wait……………………………

    • More like 10%.
      Which is yet another reason to learn it now.
      90% of the pop. would/will die off.

      So, which fraction do you want to be part of, the living, or the dead?
      The living are going to be the ones who’re getting possum stew and squirrel meat semi-regularly, if they haven’t made any better plans.
      Not the ones bemoaning their hunger.

  12. POd American

    Are you really just trying to say that fishing is the “silent” alternative to trapping? Guess I missed your point, please enlighten everyone.

  13. SemperFi, 0321

    Hardly anyone here is fit enough to carry a 40-60 lb rucksack, on top of fighting and survival gear, and then strap on more weight for some traps. Exactly how much extra, extra, extra gear can you fit in extra pouches? More survivalist masturbation material.
    The only logical solution is wire snares, they’re light and easily deployed, IF you ever actually use them.
    I spent over a week in the Philippines setting snares and eating what we caught, it takes a lot of traps to feed several people, if you catch anything. ( 3 training certificates from JEST School, Subic Bay NAS 1973)

    • It’s like any skill, you have to practice at to get good at it.
      I learned through our family trapping business, and i still had to spend years learning how to set for each animal.
      Actually once you figure out how to con a critter into setting your trap, if there is game you will get a portion of it reliably.
      All sorts go out and get frustrated because they think it isn’t worth the effort and give up saying it is a waste of time. Thats why you can get traps cheap at yard sales. The secret is you really have to keep at it.

      When I moved to WV, I found out snares are legal here. Whoo! Hoo! It was like hitting the trapping jackpot. Snares are great because all you need to do is set them where an animal will walk into it. They don’t know how to back out. A cat or fox once they beat a trap, they are real hard to get again with any spring set. They will even set them off on purpose. Beavers are trap shy too. The easy way for them is set your conibear right where they bump into their ramps before coming out of the water with their chest. They don’t see it as their eyes are above the water.
      You get squirrels by setting multiple snares on a leaned over tree they like to use. Like muskrats, they have runs they clear out of water grass, you set them so they trigger a trap with their foot as they push along in the shallows. It is where they get the tender greens underwater. Any trap is useless if it is put where game doesn’t go, so you have to look real careful for runs and game trails. Coons, they go to water to eat and wash, catch tasty things like clams, water bugs, tadpoles frogs and fish. A good place is where they will beat down the mud along a brook. It will look like a hundred gorilla’s have a party there so many tracks. There will be little worn paths leading to the spot the gorilla’s use. A dead downed tree trunk that is rotted or hollowing out. there’s all sorts of tasty bugs and grubs in and under the log. It is either a hiding place for a rabbit in the winter when it’s on its foraging runs, or any number of critters from bears to foxes going after the bugs or rabbit. And like for rabbits, they are habitual run makers. Get on your knees, bend down at rabbit eye level outside thickets and brush, and you find actual tunnels through everything from tall grass to thorn berry patches you can’t see standing up. It is where they are safe from hawks to foxes. Everything wants to eat the rabbits. You just have to be the rabbit or the beaver. And how you do that is find a spot and set for a long time till the woods calms down from you making a racket. You set real still, you will see all sorts of things. One time I had a Minx cat walk literally right over my legs as I was leaning back against a tree. I had a woodland poncho over my legs with forrest duff spread over top. I don’t know who was startled more, me or the kitty.
      Animals are like humans, they take natural lines of drift. The easiest path of least resistance.
      A great analogy is when you learn small unit infantry tactics. Don’t travel paths our natural lines of easy passage, (drift), it is where the ambushes get set and you die.
      Thats where you can set snares, as animals are like humans, they all use the same game trails if they aren’t spooked, they want to conserve energy and a trail is easy on energy use. Conservation of energy is everything to a wild critter, It is one of the tricks you have to figure out to use. just takes time and keeping at it.
      If you find like a small game trail say on the side of a ridge above a brook, that begins at a crossing that is easy, like a shallow run, or a log across the stream, set up above the trail before dusk. They usually hand rail the ridge at an angled slope. Sit there a couple evenings, you can see everything from a Fox to a Fisher Cat hoofing it along.
      Or look where the deer run in the thick woods, they will wear it out to the dirt. Other critters will use them also, because they are easy traveling, animals understand other animals, specially prey animals, they use trails or runs that are inherently safer. And deer, they are suckers for a snare. Right where they put their heads down to go under a branch or a blowdown. Bingo! They keep walking right up to where the wire lock hits the stop. Set those where you can look from a high place upwind, they get pretty frantic if they see you.
      Those kinds of little cues the art of trapping you have to learn the hard way over doing it. The time when your ready to quit is when you have to not give up. Then one day you start to get the hang of it, and your hooked.
      And another great thing. Trap every predator you can, soon as you can. They are your competition for game up to deer. A pack of coyotes will eat 6-10 deer a month. Foxes and Bobcats with clean out every rabbit, tree rat and coon, till there is nothing to trap. Fishercats will decimate a few square miles of everything. They are only one of the wild animals that kill just to kill. They have a particular hatred for coons. And their favorite food is porcupines. Ever hear a blood curtailing scream like a baby being torn apart alive, thats a fisher cat and coon going at it.
      And moose chase every deer of their areas. Lot of meat on a moose. The best red meat there is. Better to have deers instead of mooses. Deer multiply faster, harder to hunt out.
      Thats some of the tricks I know. Once I got the hang of it as a kid, it kind of comes second nature. But it is a severely perishable skill. Something happens to you when you spend regular time in the bush. You start to naturally become one with the woods. Don’t know how to explain it. It goes away if not kept at it regularly. It comes back after a few days though if you have some time in the sticks already under your belt.
      If your starting from scratch, you have a steep learning curve and you may get awful hungry before your eating meat. Start now. It just takes time and perseverance. Try coyotes. Most of the East they are open season almost all year, they aren’t native animals. They are tricky fuckers. But they are voracious consumers of game. And you snare or trap, or just shoot them, you’ll get game in your traps because they ain’t eating it. Sometimes that is why it seems like a worthless effort to beginners, because there isn’t enough game around to trap, and people think its the trapping.

    • Then I guess this is for the “Hardly anyones”, isn”t it. A whole week huh? But yet I’ve never seen you post anything about it and give pointers on the snare use you derived from your “Three Certificate” experience in 1973. I bet CA would probably post it.

      • SemperFi, 0321

        I’d be happy to explain how we took the cambium layer from trees in long strips, braided 3 strand 10-12′ lines from it and set up snares to catch wild chickens and monitor lizards, or how we diverted streams to catch fish and freshwater shrimp, then cooked them in bamboo tubes with rock salt and made a pressure cooker from a tube of bamboo to cook rice in, is that what you’re thinking? Or shooting and eating a porcupine down in the Green River canyons of Utah, or maybe shooting and cooking up a beaver in the Canadian Yukon (yuk!). I can explain that too. I’ve spent weeks in the saddle at a time, riding the Rockies of Idaho, Montana and Wyoming, with a custom made muzzleloader, hand made saddle and all my fur trade clothes hand made by myself, following the old mtn man trails and routes. I was also a custom gunmaker for Green River Rifle Works, we made the top of the line muzzleloaders in the 1970’s, and today they’re making them again for a whole new line of collectors after almost a 40 yr absence ( I was just contacted 2 weeks ago about building some again). Built log homes for a decade or two, logged trees for a living, fancy chainsaw work is nothing new for me either.
        And for you, I can back up my cheesy line of bullshit any day. You may think I’m some little punk sitting in mommies basement, but this time you’re way wrong. The last 45 yrs have been one long story of survival and adventure skills.
        Wanna come hunt elk in Wyoming?, I’ll drag your ass up and down the continental divide in search of Wapiti, won’t be a bit like deer hunting in your back yard, here the grizzlies stalk you! Contact our host for more info.

        • Don’t tell me about it, tell the readers that will get a bit of survival knowledge out of it! That’s my point, you’re not contributing, you’re just picking a fight because it’s that easy on the internet. As to this “You may think I’m some little punk sitting in mommies basement, but this time you’re way wrong”, I never believed that about you (I know more about you than you might think), and it’s why I didn’t say it to you. quit actin’ like you’re the only person around here with some unique or long term experience. And I’d love to hunt elk with you BTW.

          • SemperFi, 0321

            OK, point taken.
            So who ratted me out, one of our eastern connections?

            And the offer still stands for an elk hunt, contact your connection.

        • “here the grizzlies stalk you.”

          As it is in Alaska.
          Semper Fi

  14. I can see there is a lot of misinformation here. I’m a trapper and I have provided my family’s meat supply from trapping and have done so for many years. I have over 200 free videos on the subject and here are a few of my “schools” to get you started.

    Snare School: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKr4Uaqv6FvP1yAzsqX_8g2bCj1jVC8d0

    Conibear School: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKr4Uaqv6FvNU-ukdVIhpuno5g-nWz_Xf

    Foothold School: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKr4Uaqv6FvPw0p9ogB6K5CDKY8HHiC7v

    • “I can see there is a lot of misinformation here. ”
      What “misinformation” is that? Are you talking about the Canterbury video?

      • I should have been more specific. My response was aimed at those claiming that traps were ineffective and not worth the weight to carry or stash. I apologize for the confusion. As a trapper, I know just how effective trapping is when it comes to providing meat.

        I have been working on a video series called “Resistance Trapping” which is a course designed to take a non trapper and teach them the basics of trapping for food while in a hostile situation. Once I am done editing, I would like to submit a copy to you for your feedback. Should I contact you at your blog to follow up?

    • Meattrapper, is that you? Have learned much from your videos & podcast, thanks for everything you do.

      • Yessir – this is MeatTrapper – for some reason I’m showing up here under my BamaTrapper account. I’m glad my videos and podcast have been useful. This is a great topic and I hope people here can focus on developing their trapping skills rather than getting into pissing contests.

        For those that might want to listen in, I do a podcast “MeatTrapper Radio” that comes out every Monday night. I talk politics, trapping, survival and whatever else I can think of. Here is a link to the most recent broadcast: http://trappingradio2.com/meattrapper-radio-episode-45-duggar-mountain-survival-story/. I’m not a commando, secret squirrel or badass – just an old redneck from Alabama that feeds my family from my traps.

  15. Got boxes full of traps and snares. Remember to dip the traps to loose the human scent. I’d rather have them, and not need them, then need them and not have them.

    Dirk

  16. European American

    I just wonder, when food distribution comes to a standstill, and three days later all food has been cleared off the shelves, how long before all the wildlife in America, at least the majority of “accessible” wildlife, has been completely decimated? Maybe a year or two at the most?

    I suspect only those, the Jeremiah Johnson’s, who are truly in mental, emotional and physical shape, who find themselves far from the madding crowd, will be able to “live off the land” i.e. able to locate edible creatures and avoid the “two-legged” creatures, after the initial kill off of both humans and animals, takes place.

    Then there is how the immune system with deal with kuru for those with that insatiable appetite for the only “meat” that will be available. at some point.

  17. rightwingterrorist

    110’s, man, you just can’t beat them.
    While most folks would be out starving while trying to hunt venison, in a collapse situation, it’s entirely possible to keep well while eating squirrel and rabbit.
    If you know what you’re doing.
    But hell, if it comes down to it, 330’s and coyote may have to suffice.

  18. Because of heavy hunting / poaching that will occur when the grid goes down, game will change their habits and go noctournal. If you plan to hunt at night, some measures for hunting then will help quite a bit. That is where traps excel – 24/7/365 in the right locations.

    Many trappers in North report snares are better in winter due to traps freezing up in freezing conditions. Buckshot Hemming has some good advice when it comes to trapping – look up his books and videos up.

  19. There are “others” which set traps with arsenic.
    Heck… might as well put bouncing Betty’s. Of course
    they are not surviving via their own labors, but that is
    another world.

    “Every man to his family and his belongings”