Two From MDT

Thoughts On Selco’s Recent Article

On Standards And Their Application

When were you last out in the field?

38 responses to “Two From MDT

  1. some of us live in the field. take 10 steps off the road and you’re in the shit.

  2. Shinmen Takezo

    This some good stuff posted by Selco here–thanks.
    As for Selco’s “before and after” photo… huh?!
    This huge, massive hulking guy that is Selco–no matter what he wears will have a target upon him wherever he treads and no matter what he wears.

    As for “bucket caches” –good thoughts here, however do not cache anything on land or property or buildings which you do not physically control. There are way too many of these metal detecting, treasure hunters out there prowling the landscape. A good friend of mine was going to make a cache in the national forrest not far from my mountain BOL–and when he got to his intended spot, he saw two of these “treasure hunters” going over the area he intended to lay his cache.

    • Selco’s post is between the lines and is in bold italic font. The questions, pics (except his with the title “Full Circle!”) and commentary afterwards are mine. Yeah, even Nat Forrest is questionable unless you’re pretty far in or in a “denied terrain” (hard to get to) area.


    Every person’s circumstance will be different, depending on where they live, their age and infirmities, and the composition of their tribe. While we are as prepped up as we possibly will ever be(I’m constantly reevaluating), we will not be bugging out as we have nowhere to go. Off-site tribe members will probably end up at our place.
    The biggest issue for urbanites and suburbanites will be their clueless, stupid, greedy, amoral, hysterical neighbors. Ammo, site hardening, and tactics are my focus. I can butcher a deer and set traps and snares if I have to. We have an abundance of quail and geese in our area also. My biggest problem is hardening my mind and heart to do what will become necessary in the event of a meltdown. Bleib ubrig.

  4. Unless one lives on the edge of a wilderness area, you’re going to have lots of company. Real soon. That includes military and police sent in to remove you. Or eliminate you. Most people will have to survive in the suburbs or small towns. Expect the populations to swell over night. You are going to be very busy around the clock.

    • VoorTrekker

      Based on which premise or circumstances? In an emergency event, I don’t think the resources will be there to hunt down one insignificant guy quietly hunkered down and waiting.

      • Resources?
        How’s about every single swinging Richard within range of the nearest town or city whose belly is rumbling?

        They’ll have more help than you can imagine, and far more than they’ll ever need, if they think there’s anyone there for whom to look.

        You can’t just be quiet, you’re going to need to be nigh-on to invisible.

        • mostly right.

          that’s because the murkins are losers and scumbags at every level.

          200 million need to stop struggling …

          • You should stop struggling. All you have to do is “forget” to put on your cpap mask tonight TuFat.
            Before you go, send us some more national park photos of your very own tree filled jungle island wilderness. Please say hi to Injun Joe for me, I’m really glad you rescued him from that cave in your version of the tale.

  5. My offer still stands…The area you are in before it all falls apart will play a big part on whether you survive, thrive, or die… People are starting to wake up to that fact so I do have hope…

  6. Life’s is about choices. We choose where we live, it doesn’t pick us. My AO has exactly four routes in/out. All thru mountain passes. All manageable.

    hundreds of miles from major metro areas. 4200 ft and up, keeps a lot of flat landers away, especially in the winter.

    While not the the area Rawles pushs, close. Ranch farm community, natural goose and duck flyway, huge fishing opportunities. I see maybe 200 deer a week, and that’s in town.

    If we gotta bug, no problems. My bug place is remote, with a small creek that bubbles out of the ground right in the physical site. 1000s of trout in the creeks rivers and lakes. Closest town is Paisley Oregon,20 miles which is another remote town of 250 peoples.

    Down side is a Beetle kill has devastated a lot of the forest right their Lots of down lumber for building and warmth.

    The cool part is, this looks out onto the fringe of the high plateau, again remote farms and ranches. ” dry land farmers” some with seasonal water.

    I’m their often. If I see thirty cars going to, or coming home, that’s a lot. Up the mountain maybe a couple campers.

    I’m blessed. I moved here in 1987, for these kinds of reasons. I sensed then what we are seeing now.


  7. Being able to hunt, fish, camp, etc., may come in handy someday, sometimes, and be a pleasant diversion now.

    But the idea that it’ll work when 100M or more (let alone 2-3 times that many) of your friends and neighbors all try it simultaneously is exactly the fantasy nonsense that Selco has written about for 7 years, as exactly such.

    Anybody outside central Alaska who thinks they’ll do it and pull it off is building fantasy castles in the sky.

    Imagine taking the inhabitants of just the nearest city with you, and tell me how much fish and game you’d be able to render to food, and for how long.
    If you can’t survive unassisted, even by nature, for between six months and two years, beyond the Great Die-Off of society post-SHTF, you won’t be around to harvest game once it makes a rebound, and you’ll be part of that die-off.

    Doubly true east of the Mississippi, where US population densities are twice as high or worse than what they are west of the Big Muddy.

    And if you think you’re going to enforce your boundaries beyond rifle range, solo, when thousands of people come calling, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. If you enforce them at all, you’ll draw additional folks in hordes once they realize you have something worth taking, and they won’t all be happily disarmed.

    In short, if you’re going to survive in the short-term, it’s gong to be as a submarine, not as a battleship.

    Plan accordingly.

    • TheAlaskan

      “Anybody outside central Alaska…”

      Right you are, Aesop. Up here, we have massive salmon runs every year. All five Pacific species. War comes…salmon doesn’t give a shit…they’re gonna spawn and die like they do every year. Many of us have been doing the subsistence lifestyle all our lives.

    • I don’t think either author was suggesting people could go Grizzly Adams for the duration. If they were, then they are fools, but that’s not how I read it. More like they are good skills to have situationally, and make for good team building exercises.

      I live in a rural state, with more deer now than when Columbus landed due to corn. Every year over a 9 day period ~9% of the states population, with lots of restrictions, harvests ~33% of the deer population. Expand to 365 days, no rules, no bag limits, every adult w/ a gun (~45% of pop) is out there day and night…

  8. wendystringer48088

    I like the Smock Kit:
    Actually I have the same and more as a military surplus coat with liner, back pack full of stuff, a spare set of clothes and shoes and enogh old blankets and a tarp to spend the night in a car. Backpack includes fold up stove and heat tabs, with instant coffee and hot chocolate and energy bars.
    You do what you can with what you have. Never know what situatiom you may get into. Maybe not even society wide SHTF, Maybe just a disabled vehicle in the middle of nowhere.
    Make every day count getting ready in all possible ways I think is the best way to go.
    Summer and Fall is good weather for getting out and away from the city and hiking and camping, even if just for a weekend, or a taking couple of vacation days and a longer weekend…

  9. So boss’ tell us how to do it, the Aesop way? I’m willing to learn a new way.