MDT: On Gear

A thorough review of concepts and kit.

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46 responses to “MDT: On Gear

  1. In the advent of shtf, TeeFat has already filled a dorm on his island with the finest Sherpa porters who will carry his better than yours gear in a baggage train. Accompanied by cymbals.

  2. I like being able to breathe, so I make the sacrifice of carrying a pro-mask.

    Call me crazy, or a pussy or whatever, but I just don’t have the tolerance for CS/CN or rotten, bloated, pathogen-infested meat-sacks that I used to….

    • TheyCallMeRockStar22

      A good choice. Lightweight and awesome. Goggles and a mask would also help. Dead bodies cause serious illness. I used to have flies on my eyes and lips 24/7 in Baghdad and then I would spend days crapping my pants while I walked around on patrol or slept in my bed. The flies would land on my lips right after being swatted away. I would watch them jump off a pile of human shit when I went down in the prone with my SAW, they would then land right one my face. I would sleep in it sometimes too. Hopefully, I don’t have to do that again. Truly Miserable. Hard times though…

  3. just as i predicted another pay-triot

    buy my shit

    with money you don’t have

    for crap you’ll never use

    before you lose 50 lbs of flab n fat

    and truly understand who what why and how…

    because

    libertard

    free dumb

    duh mock crazy

    and the murkin way.

    • rid the Fusa of old gory and start OVER.

    • Your reading comprehension scores another .000 at bat:
      He wasn’t selling anything there.

      Go back to whatever grade school you dropped out of, and demand an immediate refund of your parents’ tuition: they were robbed.
      Three letters for you: G.E.D.
      It’s never too late.

      • oh and they also lack t.he most important thing- a SPINE.

        now fuck off retardo report cuckboy and go lick a boot

  4. Detroit III

    All that gear = mobility kill.

    Sorry, Terry Tali beat us running light and fast. We lost because we were decked out like this dude.

  5. Thank you for an excellent ,informative article.

  6. JD, is your m14 a socom? If so which stock are you running.

    Thank you in advance.

    Dirk

    • Yes, it’s a Sage EBR

      • JD, thank you for your reply. Wasn’t sure if it was a socom, or a BM59 or 62. I’ve got the socom, with the VLTOR stuff up front, the current stock is certified garbage. Also have BM59s and 62s Those have solid wood stocks, gtg.

        Last question, are you happy with the Sage.

        Dirk

  7. That stuff is pretty nice but $160 is up there.

  8. Virgil Kane

    Mr. Dodge, what is the weight of that load in the picture?

    • What if you don’t have the mini van and the suburban with trailer to exfil the area with. Loaded down on Shanks Mare is worst case scenario, but you still plan and prepare for worst case scenario, right? This isn’t the desired activity and COA, but desire doesn’t enter into reality in SHTF, does it? This isn’t about being a lite fightin’ infantryman, this is about gettin you and your loved ones to safety.

    • While I agree, troops have historically carried far to much weight. A leisurely backpack load and a combat LURP set up is a different beast.

      Life is the lesson.

      DW

    • Whine alert

      Are you not a U.S. citizen? Lose the nazi-queen complex. Don’t think mdt was trolling like tfat and imposing spam on the mvt post right? Aren’t you two friends? Or is mdt just one of your passings? Take a nap and quick being so whiney.

  9. Some of the comments here make me wonder who has lived in the field for a week – or more. Without a FOB? Without access to previously constructed shelter? During a rainstorm? In winter?

    • This. It sucks, hard…and that’s with less than mind blowing Appalachian mtns and no battle rifle/ammo. Oh and I’m the fall when it’s not snowing and you don’t die if you get wet from rain/sleet. Big time learning experience if you haven’t. 3 days =/= a week.

  10. That is a crap ton of gear. Where’s your mobility Mr. Dodge? What does all that add up to?

    • Where’s my mobility? Did you read what that set up is for? By all means tell me what gear you’d carry and how much it weigjs if you weren’t plannin’ on comin’ back? I can get around fine (I’m plenty “mobile”) but that’s me, not you.

  11. So much for the goal of being the greatest light-infantry.
    I recall a long lost poem, “Beast of Burden”, written by a RVN era LT. in 3rd Marines that captures the down side of being thus equipped.
    Near on 35-years ago USMC undertook a serious program to “lighten up”. No evidence of any success other than siring the generation that gave US the EFV and the F-35B.
    Comment regards Terry Tali suggests family tradition is being maintained..

    • Who’s callin’ themselves “light infantry”? I’m not a grunt anymore, I’m a Survivalist and I carry what I believe is needed (the pic on WRSA is worst case scenario). If we’re gonna start the whole “light infantry” meme as a standard, who’s gonna carry the mortar, the AR w/800 rnds and barrel, the MG, the MG kit and the ammo.

  12. Actually; ALL of the current crop of “trainers” have the same handicap.(Max Mosby, Dodge, ALL OF THEM) They WERE NOT trained to operate without a crap ton of mandated gear and on demand resupply by road or air. They were trained to RIDE to the war in the back of a Bradley or UH-60 . To fight with “on call” backup and unlimited ” on demand” supply. Everything JC Doge carry’s is testament to his training as a law enforcer and Mech. infantry solder. Don’t get me wrong. What he knows, he knows very well. It is just that, I am amazed that everything has changed so little from the days when we trained to stop Russians in Fulda Gap. I can tell you one thing. IF CWII ever breaks out you will be able to track the internet “trainees” by the crap they leave in the ditches as they discover its real burden on a man who has to walk all day. And the value of “liberated” pack horses and mules. Things a smart man would start training for NOW.

    • Yup, your tjree mag chinese chest rig, molle tactithong and ho chi minh sandals is definitely the way to go lite fighter.

    • ah bullshit as usual ray.

      they absolutely trained and trained and trained to hump all that shit.

      are you that dumb?

      who knows about min and who cares? the only thing i know about that guy, is he begs for scraps and he don’t know what he don’t know. he wouldn’t last the night on Detroit’s east side.

  13. TYPO (MAX MOSBY DODGE ALL OF THEM) WERE.

  14. Grenadier1

    I agree that JC is wearing a lot of gear. However.
    You need to keep in mind its a layered approach with as needed items all displayed together. He is not carrying all of it on a foot patrol.
    How many of you have actually worn your gear out and did something in the field? By the field, I mean AssBackaStan. Not your back yard or the square range?
    How many of you have lived outside for more than an overnight car camping trip or a weekend at the deer camp?
    How many of you have done that in 10 degree weather?
    How about 95 degrees with 95 % humidity?

    JC has done all that.
    I am not saying I would copy his load out buckle by buckle but I trust his experience in the field and in conjunction with my own to build my gear set up. I know that if I plan on living out in the field for 72 hours I am going to need things. I know if I plan on doing that in the late fall or early Spring I am going to need more things than I would in August. I know that if I want to see in the dark, or communicate beyond line of sight I am going to need some other things. I know that if I plan on returning fire in a fire fight for more than a few minutes I am going to need more than 3 mags. If I want to cut things I need a knife, If I want to navigate I need a map and compass, If I want to NOT dehydrate I need water and the capacity to disinfect and carry it. I know that if I want to treat minor wounds I need snivel gear. I know if I have a significant wound I need an IFAK. I know if I want redundancy on some of this gear I will need to carry two.
    All this shit adds up.

    Terry Taliban may have fought us with a rusty Khyber Pass AK and a water bottle, but he also weighed 100 lbs, wore the same clothes since he was 10 and died in very large numbers.
    Terry also fucks goats, I dont see you guys lining up for a night with
    ol’ Nanny.

  15. Damn people, take knee and quit your bitchin. The man operates in the northern Midwest. What you’re seeing in that pic is his fighting and survival load. Yes, it’s a lot, because if you go out in 15 degree weather without that ranger taco, mat, 3500 calories, water, dry polys, socks, skivvies and utilities as soon as your fat ass stops moving for a short thirty minutes you have a damn fine chance of dying.
    Now, Max recently talked about using motor vehicles to carry extra ammo and survival tier loads, that’s one way to solve for Y. PT is the other part of the equation. Or less protective gear, by which I mean plates and soft armor. Not to mention you can be damn sure that the first shotthat goes crack those quick release straps are going to get yanked. Leaving you wearing a battle load.
    Don’t take my word for it, try it. Ive been out in eight degrees and a simple 3 clicks at any kind of speed will get your ass sweaty enough to kill you. And for those of you who don’t know snow, you’ll probably make up some of that uneccesary shelter weight with extra water.

    • you fucking lightweight punk

      so you think there’s snow down in the valley where you scratch out your pathetic existence?

      you ain’t shit in a niggers backyard.

      you don’t know wha snow is.

      cuckboy.

      now go shine jr’s and mins boots.

    • Honestly, I think most looked at the pic and went straight to comments, without even reading the post.

      • Not, everybody. Good overview, keep up the good work. Must be the heat, kicking everybodies ass.

        Dirk

    • “a simple 3 clicks at any kind of speed will get your ass sweaty enough to kill you.” Truer words were never spoken….Northern tier is ‘interesting,’ especially when one is on foot, even in a NPT scenario, let alone very cold temps or heavy rains in 40 degrees.

      JC’s fondness for a layered approach is extremely effective; we stand by it as well and teach it in our classes. Ruck is too heavy? Our ‘real world’ load outs average at about 60 pounds for a 10 to 14 day stand alone (no resupply or RTB) jaunt, but that includes a couple days resupply (120 rds per day) in bandoleers, water, food, lotsa socks, change of clothes, etc, as well as other survival gear. That weight doesn’t include our LBE & carbine. Winter is even more fun and adds more weight. Layering in all climates is the ONLY way to go in my opinion. Others mileage may vary.

    • TheAlaskan

      Yep, you don’t want to be sweating in sub-zero weather….hypothermia being the result. Layers…wear layers that can be peeled away or opened up. Thing is, your enemy will have the same issues. BTW…eight degrees is a warm front up here.

  16. Terrain dictates tactic. Sad this needs to be repeated and keeps popping up like a bad case of herpes but it does….. At times you WILL need a buffalo bull-shit sized load of kit, equally times will arise when you will need to travel light to fight .. There’s no set rules in the fluidity of a THE HAMMER HAS DROPPED environment and to discount any load (LIGHT OR HEAVY) as the finite example is amateur, narrow minded and someone is missing the real picture.. I expect to have situation where I will be in bad guy land with a loaded ruck, creeping and tasking, equally I expect there will be times when I need to put a few mags in my smock and get shit done.. You should expect this too no matter where you are..NONE of us knows what a hammer dropping situation will bring us.. Prepare for it all…..Whats more is a soldier is NOT a survivalist and a survivalist is NOT a soldier.. Find the dividing line and take what you need from both. You’ll need it..

    From on top my Mountain in Alaska.

    Ivarr Bergmann

  17. Sweet Suffering Shiva:

    If, by asinine commentary you have automagically conflated a Subsistence Load (pictured at the top) with a Fighting Load, because you were too smart to skip past the opening picture and read the actual gawdam article in question, with the handy LINK right in fucking front of you, award yourself one Dumbass Trophy. (No name tag, but you can fix that with some white tape and a Sharpie.)

    I won’t call roll; we all know who we’re talking about.

    And then, tell us how heavily-laden foot troops never carry that stuff, and always lose, because you’re so tactical smart:

    This is why we can’t have nice things:
    Dunning-Kruger is a cast-iron bitch, and spreads like chicken pox in day care.

  18. Good post. (maybe people should actually read it — you know, the words).

    Anyhow, my “not coming back” load out looks almost identical.

    S//

  19. TheyCallMeRockStar22

    The Truth is that this still is not enough gear.
    I’ll be on a hill with a .308 and minty toothpicks.
    A real combat load out for an extended trip is 6 duffle bags and a ruck.
    The ruck has 12-18 pounds of water along.
    Fun times. Even training 24/7 with it is still grueling. I def don’t train.

  20. It’s a bitch winning a battle, much less a war, From ones favorite recliner.

    Dirk

  21. Those days of humping, body building, and pushing/pulling
    are done for me for extended amounts of time.
    Good for those who can still do it.
    I think about that many times, in fact all the time, since it
    is part of life. Even brainstorming to even design a sort
    of “wheelie bars” to help suspend the load 😉 and not
    kidding either.

    On another solution, I am sure many of you have been
    seeing the updates on this:

    But who the heck can afford that!

    “Every man to his family and his belongings”

  22. While I am prior service, it was USAF so I have no experience to fall back on here.
    I understand layering and the difference between what works from a vehicle vs what works while on foot in regards to carrying gear. And what needs to go on layers 1 and 2.
    What I’ve been looking for is an answer on what to carry besides weather appropriate clothes, shelter, food, ammo and water in the ruck.
    I suppose if I’m leaving forever, carry anything I “think” I need and hope I can carry. What if Im not leaving forever just extended. Is it just ammo, food (and heaters, stove, cup, etc) clothes, shelter and water/means to get more water? I dont want to look like Charle Sheen in Platoon where some guy is pulling tons of junk off my ragged ass but I want to have what I need to have and I want to have trained with it as far as being able to carry the load.
    Or am I trying to over think it?