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17 responses to “TCCC-MP

  1. Get off X/stop the threat. Every blood cell counts. Stop the bleeding, get the casualty warm. Normal saline is not blood. Blood is blood, you need blood. Restore normal tension w blood products. You don’t have blood products? IVs? Chest darts? Vascular surgeon? Well, at least you have a tourniquet… Or is it in the wrapper? Oops. Control bleeds. Direct pressure, tourniquet, high and tight. Get them out of the “hot zone” or defeat the threat. Treat for hypothermia. Protect the airway, nasal trumpet, delayed intubation for airway. Seal chest wounds your hand or their hand. Apply occlusive dressing to both sides, lung sounds, hypo or hyper resonant? Hemo or pneumo or both. 5th intercostal space, mid axillary, above the rib(body armor on). Respiration? 12-26?Systolic >90? Temp >103? Give em antibiotics. Hope they are in their 20s, healthy and optimistic. Save your money. Learn how to prep a TQ, and how to put 1 on. Join a rescue squad, there are literally 1000s, they need your help. TCCC is also based on golden hour. Study USARMY Ranger medics, they have 0 trauma loss in recent history. If you stop the bleeding early, you stop the problems. Don’t worry though, all bleeding stops eventually. Study austere medicine. There are some good Facebook groups. Next generation combat medic, and Austere Medical Group. If you already have cardiac compromise, chf, copd, diabetes, take blood thinners? Learn how to use a radio, keep inventory, develop a network to pass on knowledge because even the young and healthy have a slim chance. God bless.

  2. this may be the reason murkin men-and i use the term lightly, are cucked and are afraid to stand up.

    maybe they think the poopLICE and the military are gonna stand up for them.. ha ha

    IMO the married and indebted have had their balls snipped off and just don’t have what it takes to qualify as MEN…

    it takes more than a mortgaged pick up truck and an ar-15 to be a man.

    my money is on the felons and street rats taking over when SHTF.
    they know what it takes to survive.

    • Get a fucking life. Same shit every day. All day. You really should see a doctor.

      • its the same shit everyday because you losers won’t change.

        once a loser- always a loser.

        make sense?


    • Way to be right on topic…with the voices in your head.

      See if you can figure out why your audience here is about the same size as the ones listening to homeless people talking to themselves…

      • are you still here?

        gop back to wm and talk your shit.

        oh wait. he died from being fat.

        • Thanks For Sharing Your Usual Output!

          Which should be a warning to you; all that fat in your head means your well-deserved stroke-out is coming any day.

          Best wishes conquering that.

  3. Another sales man trying to sell me something I don’t need, and all for the low low price of 600$ USD. For an advanced first aid coarse. I can get from the Red Cross. Guess what? For all you super smart “Freefor operators”: The “FREEFOR” HAS NO CASEVAC! — NONE ,and IF you do mange to get your wounded buddy to a government controlled hospital or vet clinic(yeh, dumbass that will work) You AND HE (or she) WILL go to jail, get water boarded and die. Or you can drag his(or her) screaming septic ass through the underbrush until they die. Or maybe, you can do what the NVA and VC did in South Vietnam and set up “clinics” in holes in the ground. They often used “Vet’s” as doctors too . They had a death rate of near 90% Don’t like that? Then stop pretending you are going to engage in irregular warfare. Because 90% of your wounded that cannot be treated with a blow out patch and Neosporin or delivered to a modern medical facility within hours are going to DIE, Horrid screaming, jerking, septic, shitting themselves death’s begging G_D and everybody else for help, and if you are not able to get them to a real Hospital no “school” on earth will help. That is the reality of irregular “anti-government” warfare. Don’t like that? Don’t play. Now go take that Red Cross advanced first aid class and put your 600$ into ammo. AND: Don’t like ((((())))? WELL……….FYTW.

    • Ray, the enormity of your ignorance cannot be measured with existing instrumentation. In case no one told you, that’s a bad thing, not something to be proud of and put on display.
      Just saying.

      1) It clearly escaped your notice that you (or someone you care about) might get their ass shot next week, while minding your/their own business, as a bystander, long before civilization melts and degenerates into Battle For The Planet Of the Apes, and that at that point, knowing WTF to do with respect to (survivable) GSW and other trauma might be a fucking spiffy skill set to pull out of your ass. Which, if you think they cover that shit at the Red Cross, is the only place you’ll be pulling anything medical from.

      2) TCCC isn’t an advanced first aid course. (For that matter, what the Red cross currently calls “Advanced First Aid” is what they used to cover in and call “Basic First Aid”, up until about 1980. Doubtless from the depths of your extensive Red Cross experience, you knew that too, right?) TCCC is a specific set of skills, both for dealing with combat trauma, but entirely applicable to traumatic injuries not sustained in combat, with certain paramedic-level medical skills that can save lives in traumas that have not one single fucking thing to do with combat, but one helluva lot to do with trauma generically: like after a car accident; or a tornado, hurricane, or earthquake; or simply from an accident while camping, hiking, hunting, etc. Or getting mugged or carjacked.

      3) Just because you’re such a tacticool soopergenius that you have no plans for CASEVAC, don’t assume everyone else is as equally fucktardedly short-sighted and pig-headedly stupid. You’d lose that bet, by a notable distance. The ruler used would measure in AU: astronomical units. Look that one up.

      4) If you knew jack or shit about TCCC, you’d know that a substantial portion of the curriculum deals with preventing your patients from becoming either screaming or septic. But you were sick that day in common sense, right?
      I’ve heard of lighting a candle, and even cursing the darkness. But setting yourself on fire?

      Wicked style points, Ray.

      5) Anybody with the time or inclination can improve vastly on 90% casualties, pretty much anywhere. Starting with not being ignorant fucks with fourth grade comprehension, and educating themselves. If you knew jack or shit about medicine, let alone field medicine, you’d know that the average basic level EMT right now has a better medical understanding based on actual anatomy and physiology than the average medical school-graduate surgeon had during the US Civil War. A conflict where mortality nowhere was 90%, or anything like.

      6) Apparently in whatever first aid class you took once upon a time, the arcana of such superfluous and petty things as physiology (1550), germ theory (1850), antibiotics (1928), and trauma medicine (1970) were apparently not covered in any detail – if at all. Color me shocked. So your medical briefing is somewhere between 47 and 467 years out of date.

      I even wrote a handy lesson for folks like you, and it’s available for a lot less than $600.

      You don’t want to go to a TCCC class taught by a guy with 24K gold credentials? That’s cool. That’s your choice in a universe of free will.
      Just please, don’t try to dress up your luddite jackassery as anything other than what it is.

      You could simply exercise your right to remain silent, and just wear the appropriate headgear to let other folks know how to treat you in case something bad happens to you:

      Oh, and Bill Engvall called; here’s your sign:

      If they didn’t cover it in your first aid class, you might want to take some of that $600 you’re going to save, and buy some Bactine to put on that.

      Sorry to beat you like a rented mule on the topic, but by habit, training, and decades of experience, I try to help the injured.
      Even the ones with baseball cleats through their junk, who keep on stomping.

      For anybody else close enough to the referenced class, if you have the time, money, and inclination to take it, based on the C.V. of the presenter, you’d be a fool to pass it up.
      And if you’re too far away, too busy, or too broke, oh well.
      Just do the best you can some other way, like finding a closer/cheaper/more convenient option.
      Just remember that hope is not a plan.

      • That was pretty funny—Ray lays it out how it is and then you go into your mode. Don’t know the details here…why would I bother to read it? All I care about are true and false.

    • You can also get a basic English COURSE at the Community College, which I’m certain you have yet to do also.

  4. Thomas T. Tinker

    Some crusty opinion voiced in here… I’ve met Dr. Chuck Gbur MD/OHVC, Fort Miami Center, If you ‘feel’ you are best served by the American Red Cross training, by all means study up with them. Positive steps in this direction are good things. If I need honest training with the ‘tools’ I can afford … be that my ‘pick up truck or my M-forgery’ .. my family FAK or my wheat grinder … it is up to me to put out the effort and the needed cash to get it … not find it and bitch and preach about it. Most of our ‘tools’ have a potential MOST of us are unable to use. Me… I’m waiting for the AC course and I’ll advance from there. ( done the Red Cross thing and no one teached/taught/showed us how to clean, pack or close a wound, start an IV, or how to set up a FFAK.. let alone use anything that wasn’t off the shelf at the Wa-greens at Secor Rd. and Monroe St.)

    Until then maybe I’ll take the advice I’ve read in here so far and any poor fool who needs anything out of their blow out kit … shoot em in the head.

  5. Aseop: Not knowing anything about things seams to in no way inhibit you from being the smartest, Know it all, asshole , and dipshit troll on the internet. Let me give you a steaming dose of clue. In order to learn the basics of combat medical care, it takes the US Army a minimum of 14 weeks intensive classroom training and 2 to four weeks time doing “hands on” practice in a real working ER. It cannot be taught in a weekend seminar. IT CAN’T. Period. Anyone that says it can. LIES! This is not “training” it is another “Kerodin” parting ignorant morons like you from the money. I don’t care how “nice” the instructor is. A 600$ weekend seminar is bullshit non training. Now Aseop please put me in my place again. Just because you don’t know a goddamn thing about medicine, medical training, basic or advanced wound care , shock/trauma, basic or advanced life support or victim transport, and just because you CAN NOT learn all this in a weekend. Shouldn’t stop you from vomiting your stupid and vile opinions onto others. For the rest I stand by what I wrote. The best you can get short of a paramedic class, is an advanced red cross class. AND Aesop: You are really Sam Kerodin, or Bill Ney…Right? Ether way you are my new “geco .45.

    • Still a soopergenius, huh?

      1) You’ve confused being a fully-trained Combat Medic with learning how to render immediate buddy and self-aid for fixable trauma, which is what TCCC is.
      (You’ve also confused how long the Army takes to teach something to people down to GED-carrying high school dropouts, with how long it takes for reasonably intelligent average folks to learn something taught at a somewhat more advanced level. I’ll wait while you ponder that difference.)
      Clearly, You weren’t just sick that day in common sense, you were hungover and terminally stoopid.
      Thanks for playing, and we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

      2) C.V. is short for curriculum vitae; it’s Latin for one’s life’s education.
      The instructor may or may not be “nice”, fucktard, but he absolutely has 12-15 years of specific medical training after high school, let alone beyond your GED, besides another 20-30 years’ work as a board-certified cardiologist (that would be a pretty shit-hot doctor, genius), along with a paltry career of doing that work in the Navy, mainly on Marines, covering the last couple of nasty wars we’ve been involved in.
      So you’re entirely ignorant of the skillset that involves as well.
      3) For your entire Dunning-Kruger supplied empty head reference library, I only have a piddly 25 years of medical training and experience in exactly the shock/trauma, basic and advanced wound care, basic and advanced life support and victim transport, and emergency medicine and nursing care, only having worked in exactly that field of endeavor (including in about a half hour) in the busiest ERs on the planet non-stop since the 1990s. Just like more than a few others, even hereabouts on this forum.

      Like I said, jackass, if you don’t know jack or shit about something, you probably want to stop stomping your tiny testicles with cleats on.
      It’s gonna leave a mark, and eventually, the pain will fight its way upstream past the Thunderbird you have onboard and get to your brain. Someday.

      When you don’t have the first fucking clue WTF you’re talking about, best STFU until you do.
      Unless you like the embarrassment and ridicule from walking around like this:

      Here’s your Internet Participation Trophy:

      You can put your name on it with some white tape and a Sharpie.
      Probably have to look up how to spell your name on your ID, but I’m sure you can manage if you take your time.

  6. Also, for those who cannot attend the course in OH, I outline the basics of the material here:

    Both from a sister course to this one advertised and my own first hand experience.

  7. I was gonna say something, but figured Aesop would do so. I was not disappointed. Heh. The main points I was going to make he covered under his first and second items. So that’s that. As to the rest, while I don’t know Chuck Gbur and can’t comment on him personally, I am seriously considering taking this course (or a similar one) despite my medical background. For the record, my medical background is that I have an MD from top-10 medical school, internship and residency in Internal Medicine (3 years) at the same institution, followed by Cardiology fellowship (3 more years) at an even higher-ranked institution. I’ve done clinical work in tertiary/quatrenary-care level major academic institutions and at community hospitals. This isn’t meant to be dick-beating, by the way, this is putting things into context.

    I know how to do a bunch of “emergency-ish” stuff, including cardiac catheterization, temporary pacemakers, central venous lines, para- and thoracenteses, and running codes (“code blue”). (Nothing at all special about me; anyone with similar training can or ought to be able to do the same.) But you know what, ALL that is in a hospital setting where I have virtually infinite supplies (sterile bandages, gauze, IV’s, antibiotics, you name it), a safe, clean, indoor place to work, usually adequate lighting, a crash cart, ventilator and defibrillator, and nurses, aides and other docs present to back me up.

    BUT. Apart from a basic EMT course I took nearly 30 years ago, I know JACK SHIT about actually doing medicine *in the field*, especially GSW or other trauma. I don’t really know how to stabilize someone in the field, especially with limited supplies and no immediate backup.

    From his CV (linked by Thomas Tinker above), Chuck Gbur sounds like a man worth listening to and learning from. We are all grownups here (mostly) and can make our own decisions. We’re also free to be ignorant and make bad and foolish choices. If you feel that you have nothing to learn from a TCCC course, more power to you. You may be super-paramedic, in which case you have my professional admiration, or you may not know what the hell you’re talking about. But either way, despite over a decade of medical training (there’s stuff I didn’t mention) at some of the top hospitals and research institutes in these United States, I’m certain that *I* have a lot to learn from a good TCCC course. For what that’s worth.

  8. Community Organizer

    I know Dr. Gbur and Navy med training. If I ever get wounded, again, I hope it’s with the Navy or Marine Corps, ’cause they have good docs. The whole concept of that business model intrigues me.