Can anyone become “an American”?
Especially with no consideration given to what “an American” is.
The propositions, which did play an important part in the assimilation of previous generations of immigrants, have also been relentlessly attacked by the Left, and so there is little agreement on what they even are.
Ask a leftist if they agree with this proposition: ““We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
.. and you will be told that there is no Creator God, that’s a tool the patriarchy invented to control woman and minorities, the phrase “all men” is obviously sexist, the authors were slave-owners, that “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” are racist white code-words, etc.
Obama spoke openly about how the Constitution was flawed because it only addressed ‘negative rights’ (the government shall not) and not ‘positive rights’ (like the government shall …feed you). So, even the mainstream left views the propositions as antiquated and no longer sufficient for the Brave New America they are building.
The AltRight’s claim that “America is a shopping mall” comes closer to reality than the ‘Proposition Nation’ theory.
To give the Devil his due: here is a recent article by NY Times David Brooks where he explicitly calls on conservatives to embrace Propostion Nation-ism over populism and Nationalism. This is as good a case as you will see:
It sounds reasonable, but the point is we’ve tried it and it doesn’t work.
Joe Valachi and Sammy the Bull were more loyal to the Mob than Brooks is to anything even remotely connected with the Right.
in modern ‘Murka, cohencidences are ubiquitous.
Brooks’s kid is in the Israeli Army….nuf said
Just so everyone knows.
Firearms Ballistics matching is a lie meant to keep us down.
The cannot tell one Glock 19 from another Glock 19.
They can only tell a Glock 19 was used.
Rocktard, you don’t have a fucking clue about bullet barrel forensics, bottom line,
You do someone, shoot, shovel, shut up. Burn your cloths, your shoes, ” use fuel” and disasemble and scatter the evidence. Has to be you, and you alone.
If your bold you will need just change out the barrel, and the actual firing pin. It’s a suckers bet!
This coming from the thin blue line.
Or use a smoothbore
Wrong. But thanks for your two cents.
Firearm Forensic Ballistics are greatly exaggerated.
Source. Have friends in Baltimore Homicide.
They cannot match one bullet to one barrel.
The only thing they can do is identify a bullet type, weight, and what kinda of rifling was used. IE polygonal or land and groove. They can also identify the twist rate, and number of scoring marks to identify how many lands and grooves a rifled barrel has.
The “Fingerprint” Ballistics stuff is pure hollywood.
If a Barrel could impart a unique mark on a bullet, then the inverse property would imply the machining used to make a barrel would impart unique characteristics to a barrel. Which is does, but the fact that millions of barrels are made on the same tooling over and over means that it is not admissible in court. Since 100,000 guns would have the exact same barrel characteristics.
Its a scare tactic.
Try again Durk
Quite true. Centerfire rifle projectiles, having such high velocities while in the barrel, leave virtually nothing to identify the weapon Even the rifling twist is barely readable, none of the tool marks are identifiable to match projectile to barrel.
I load all my magazines while wearing rubber gloves.
This dude knows.
Not to mention that high velocity “varmint caliber” jacketed hollow points leave nothing but lead and copper bits, and maybe an intact base. Sometimes they are barely able to nail down the caliber used. They sure can’t tell a 22-250 from a .223, and maybe not even a 243, depending on how mangled and deformed the base is. If they find the base, and it didn’t exit and splatter against a wall or tree way down yonder.
Then there is the subject of shotguns. Etc.
You fucking retard, You have friends in Detroit homicide, welllll, how could a retired investigator one with many many advanced investigation schools under their belt, argue with your credentials. You don’t have a clue.
Dude your adolescent ego continues to override your logic spectrum. Now that your layed off, perhaps spending more time in your parents basement, playing your play station could be therapeutic.
The only people that go to prison of Firearms Ballistics are dumbasses that thing CSI is realistic.
When in reality the Homicide detectives only know that a Clock 19 was used, and homeboy had a Clock 19 under his car seat.
Ergo, Homie admits to the whole case.
There have only been a handful of FB convictions.
All of them were based on exaggerated circumstantial evidence
I’m not too sure about that, Star– a good forensic scientist, such as ‘Ducky’ on NCIS, can pull a bullet from a corpse, smell it and detect buck scent on it well enough to determine the killer was a deer hunter…
(sorry, just had to get that off my chest ‘cuz it’s the most funny evidence ever contrived for a Tv program/movie and swallowed whole cloth by idiots)
I’m a fan of balkanization myself.
It’s certainly a smooth and painless process for all concerned.
“Smooth”?? Nothing from this point on will be smooth for many generations. It’s far more reasonable to say that Balkanization is the “most likely” outcome given the current circumstances.
And give the Founders their due: prior to the coup of 1789, the >Objectiveoriginally intended< to retain it's heritage and unique social structure.
But 'the Will to Power' is apparently irresistible, and men are weak and flawed. The Modern Left is but the most current manifestation of this. When will Man learn that the prime purpose of collectivism is WAR – war upon whomever the collective declares to be non-persons, and even more fundamentally, war upon the very fact and nature of individualism itself.
This sublime yet simple fact has been explored and expounded thoroughly in philosophy and literature throughout the ages. For modern examples I offer Asimov’s “I, Robot” series and “Foundation” trilogy, and Herbert’s “Dune” trilogy stand as poignant examples. Ted Kaczinsky addresses it directly in “Industrial Society and Its Future”. And if you believe, they simply heed Christ’s warning, “Beware the leaven of the Pharisees”, which pretty well sums it up in all it’s myriad aspects.
Liberty, and its pursuit to either success or failure, can ONLY be enjoined, and enjoyed, by the INDIVIDUAL. No ‘group’ has ever secured for itself any true liberty, nor can it. Every group is formed upon the basis of submission. Call it “consensus”, or “need”, or “mutual protection”, or whatever you like, its still just submission in one of its various forms. The question is and will always be, “what do you receive in exchange for what you submit yourself to?”. In the current context, I find that I I receive nothing of value, and am subject to grievous harm for my submission to “America” and it’s undeniable purpose.
Thus, I resist. This is essential Justice, that man should refuse everything which is unjust – both within and without.
Thanks WordPress – the second paragraph should read:
And give the Founders their due: prior to the coup of 1789, the Objective of American independence can best be described in modern terms as “a loosely federated collection of Balkan-like States”. Georgia was never intended to be forced into a mirror-like state of Virginia, nor South Carolina to adopt a stunning resemblance to Maryland or Connecticut – each was originally intended to retain it’s heritage and unique social structure.
The majority of the founders were deists and not strictly Christian alone. They were well versed in Masonic principles that argue indeed that ALL men are created. This is critical to the understanding of the world view that they had and how they translated that to the Nation they were building.
They were building the New Temple. A New Covenant. Like all works, they understood that it takes upkeep. They would be very comfortable with using a building as an analog for the Nation. You start with a strong, firm foundation and design (the ideological principles and culture). You collect good building materials (take note here), and you build your building. That’s not the end. The building takes constant upkeep and repair. You must train the people occupying it in how it is designed and how it works. Only then can they properly maintain it. Now back to those materials. Of course if you bring in weak and substandard materials you can expect failure. This is however only a piece of the problem.
People are of course the materials in this analogy. As many of you know People suck. The founders knew this. They understood that men are not stone and that we have our faults. What Masons in particular espouse is that Man himself is a work in progress. I think that what they would tell you is that the building does not function because of the collective ability of all of the materials. It functions because its framework is true and that as long as that framework is built on sound materials you can expect the building to remain in whole, even if on occasion you have to rebuild parts of it.
What this means in practice is that we have a nation that is founded on ideals and principles, even if we dont always live up to those. We can have people from other cultures come into that nation, BUT we can and should be very selective in that process. Provided that we have a sufficient body of men that are committed to the ideals, that uphold the cultural framework and foundation the nation would be fine.
Thats not what happened…
Anyone tempted by the seductions of Judeo-Masonry should read an 1871 edition of Pike’s Morals and Dogma. Like almost all of the vernacular translations of the Talmud (excepting the Steinsatz translation that was halted in the mid-90’s because the Talmudic anti-Christ and Master Race outrages accurately translated in the first several Tractates of the Steinsaltz transation so outraged Gentile readers), almost all 20th century printings of Morals and Dogma have been purged and sanitized of Kabbaistic Luciferianism in hopes of plausible deniability to us cowans.
Such a reading will make clear that Judeo-Masonry, like Kabbalism, is fundamentally occult worship of Lucifer and self.
Eve was seduced by the sweet words of the serpent that she and Adam “might be as gods.” Don’t be seduced by that same lie stinking of brimstone.
“Such a reading will make clear that Judeo-Masonry, like Kabbalism, is fundamentally occult worship of Lucifer and self.”
Bullseye. Don’t be a sucker. There are no real Jews in the current age, and the Talmud is not true Revelation. What we witness in the ‘Masonic Ideal’, which is but an analog of ‘Pharisaic Judaism’ (sic), is the raw aspiration to become divine – the same aspiration which Lucifer indulged in, and is the pure essence of all evil.
That which is created cannot divorce itself from the Creator and yet remain whole.
Freemasonry and Noahidism are “Judaism for submissive Gentiles.”
To Hell with that!
“What Masons in particular espouse is that Man himself is a work in progress.”
The synagogue of Satan refers to this as tikkun olam, man repairing himself and the world without need for God’s graces.
Cohencidentally, the phrase tikkun olam is included in the Aleinu, the same “prayer” (curse) that reads:
“It is our duty to praise the Master of All, to ascribe greatness to the molder of primeval creation, for He has not made us like the nations of the lands, for He has not assigned our portion like theirs nor our lot like theirs, for they bow to vanity and emptiness and pray to a god who cannot save–man, ash, blood, bile, stinking flesh, maggot, defiled men and women, adulterers and adulteresses, dying in their iniquity and rotting in their wickedness, worn out dust, rot of maggot [and worm]–and pray to a god who cannot save.”
Indeed, Freemasonry seeks to aid the synagogue in the work of “repairing the world,” but the joke is on Freemasons because “repairing the world” includes: Kill even the best of the Gentiles. That indeed will be the reward to Freemasons and Noahides for submitting to the synagogue of Satan.
If you print anything from the new york times you are a moron, go back to phew, phew, phew
I am born an American.
Thats puts myself and my fellow natural born American’s interests, politics, prosperity, happiness, faith, freedom & liberty, natural law & God given rights before any cockamamy proposition invented out of whole cloth and backed up by an artificial series of narratives by a cult of consummate pathological history revisionist liars.
Thats the beginning end of it.
There are no other things than that which are legitimate.
No arguments worth a bucket a warm spit.
Everything else is total bullshit and unacceptable.
End of discussion.
It is to our arms next.
Forge, I hope we meet some day on the battle field. I’d love you to have my back.
Hear you. Thanks, just knowing that is the next best thing. I hope we are so formidable in our righteous Liberty our enemies fold like the cowards & traitors they are.
But you subscribe to a “Constitution” which itself declares itself to be ipso post facto, or, as you say, “invented out of whole cloth”. Where is the precedence for the American Constitution? I will state it plainly: there is no actual precedence except for these 8 words, “We hold these truths to be self-evident” – this is perhaps the plainest annunciation of ipso post facto ever made.
Every other claimed precedent for the ‘Constitution’ is but an attempt at logical justification undertaken after the ratification of the dusty document and its intended coup against the sovereign States.
And before you start railing about how I’m a traitor and have no standing – I served downrange also, and have dedicated much of my life to “America” – It’s just that I have come to the painful realization that I served a fetid and calamitous lie… what realization have you come to, that you resist the nation you once served?
Note, I did not capitalize ‘nation’; because a true Nation is bound by blood, language, culture, and traditions. “America” is bound by none of these – it is bound only by the tyranny of an ever-increasing federal power. A power which is not legitimate authority, and never was. I repeat – AND NEVER WAS. This is the actual Masonic intent behind the Oath of Enlistment, which requires free men to submit to an illegitimate power, by their voluntary and utter submission to the ‘Constitution’ as the supreme authority. Whom do you serve? God, or “the Constitution”?
“…against all enemies, foreign and domestic…” indeed.
America, like Rome, is an idea. Lose the idea of what you want your country to be, and you’ve lost your country. Invite the devil into your home or your mind, and he will gladly take it over, and turn it into a little version of hell. Invite the invaders, and they will gladly take what was once yours (everything) , and kick YOU out. Barbarians do not suffer fools to prosper OR remain. Rise, and rise again, until lambs become lions. When you hire some one, and they don’t show up for work, you hire some one else, who will show up and do your bidding. If you can do the work all yourself, then you need no help. But then, no man is an island. Free men may band together, and not like each other, and produce results that make them both happy and prosperous. That’s the idea.
double-talk. First, it’s an “idea”. Then, it’s a place on a map.
cannot be both. A proposition nation will inevitably lose its borders.
and it has.
More double talk.
If I may.
We had borders, ergo we were never proposition nation.
although you could argue we were for a short time early on.
“Proposition Nation” is the dirty stinking commies dress rehearsal code for civil war.
Looks like we will have to give them their precious civil war Boys.
“Because White Christian Power… BFYTW [Because F#$%k You That’s Why]….” Ever so Christian, right? As if that will pass muster at the Judgment Seat?
Ponder these Biblical passages, double-minded “Christian.”
Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter. Woe to you that are wise in your own eyes, and prudent in your own conceits. -Isaias 5:20-21
Woe to them that are of a double heart and to wicked lips, and to the hands that do evil, and to the sinner that goeth on the earth two ways. –Ecclesiasticus 2:14
No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. –Matthew 6:24
That with one mind, and with one mouth, you may glorify God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. –Romans 15:6
The double-minded man is inconstant in all his ways. -James 1:8
My Faith & my Patriotism are not dependent on your opinions and parsing.
The statement of never bending a knee to tyranny no matter how it is expressed, you pompous ass, is never at the mercy of a mental coward such as yourself and your dishonest use of the bible to dress up your resistance is futile mentality as religious superiority.
Thank you very much.
Bottom line: Unlike the shifting sands of Judeo-Protestantism’s subjective “situational ethics,” Jesus Christ gave us OBJECTIVE standards.
“F$$K you” and “whiteness” were NOT recorded by anyone as being among His standards.
Sorry G, the majority of Founders were not Deists. Only one for sure, Jefferson and another possible, Franklin. The rest of the 189 were Protestant Christian. 🙂
One thing is an absolute fact: The Founders were all white men.
Another thing, the passage of “All men are equal…”
Men meant white men. End of story. Why else was there the 3/5ths Rule, women had no vote, and one of the first things the elected Congress passed was on immigration, granting entrance to white men of good character?
Even though they usurped the Confederation in a backhanded act, they still were smart enough to know how a Nation stays a Nation, and it’s not with a flood of muds.
“One thing is an absolute fact: The Founders were all white men.”
They could have self-identified as black women – we’ll never know.
“Why else was there the 3/5ths Rule,…”
It was about representation. Slaves are not “people” they are animals, chattel, property. The representatives of the southern States, which had a certain population of slaves, wanted the slaves to be counted as “people” for the purposes of representation in Congress and not as “people” for the purposes of having free labor.
The compromise also excluded Indians who were untaxed, but living in those States as well. Were those Indians “people” for the purposes of law and equity, but not “people” otherwise? Were Indians “…endowed by their creator with certain rights…”? Answer: They were people, but of another “nation”. They were not “We the people of the United States”.
Slaves are property, not people, be they Negroes or Irish, be they slavs under the Romans or Whites under the Arabs.
The 3/5 compromise was a way to say, “Let us set this aside for another day…”
For the record, I detest the very concept of slavery. It is theft of a man’s life no less than murder. I know it has been practiced all through human history. So has wholesale murder of one’s opponents after a successful battle. The fact that it was commonly done doesn’t make it not murder.
My Godfather would argue, “What, then, is a ‘man’ ?”
“…women had no vote…”
You are correct, Sir. We also had no Socialism until women started voting.
And actually, Jefferson wanted people to read the Bible, a strange notion for a deist.
All one needs to do is read Peter Lilback’s book about G Washington, which has massive detailed research references that clearly establish Washington’s Christian faith. I asked Peter at a conference about the Whiskey Rebellion, and he noted that Washington’s farewell address obliquely showed some regrets.
Did George Washington Convert to Catholicism?
No. Washington was a Freemasonic Deist, no Christian at all.
Excuse me. Charles Carroll, signatory to the Declaration was nominally a Catholic, but, as an adherent to the Americanist heresy, he was more like the defectors before him, the Pharisees and Protestants.
Details here: The Star-Spangled Heresy: Americanism by Solange Hertz
Available at the book store: http://isoc.ws/bookcategory/author/solange-hertz/
Holly Wood is self destructing. The pedophiles, rapists, sex traffickers are all being outed. Many of the biggest names will be destroyed, empires wiped out. Government perverts will be next, and the bankers and finance will follow. And right behind will be the Titans of industry.
All the drug running / money laundering by banks, slave labor by industry……………….filthy pigs! You thought this political war would be fought in Washington DC. A nice RIGGED fair fight? You’d have this Trump thing crushed in a year. AHahahahaha!…… Did you forget Sun Tzu? You idiots! They would not attack you at your strongest defenses in DC. They attacked you at your weakest,…your vices!!! And your arrogance concerning those vices.
The watchers have become the watched, AND recorded, AND documented.
The internet is for ever Mother F’ers!!!!
We Southern nationalists maintain, correctly, that the south is a nation and the government established by the awful constitution was an attempt by Hamilton, Washington, and Jay to create a proposition nation.
The south had very little use for the Puritan dominated Yankee states, New York and states south of it were Middle Atlantic states, the southern states began with Maryland and progressed south to Georgia. As the south spread westward, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas were drawn into the south. None of these states had any use for, and frankly hated the New England states with their Puritan nonsense.
The idea that we southern nationalists are remotely communist, that is favoring open borders, and various other communist ideas could hardly be more absurd. We’re opposed to Sodomite unions, infant murder (called abortions), female clergy, and a wide variety of things forced upon us by the actual proposition nation known as the United States of America.
As I said…im a fan of balkanization.
“The south had very little use for the Puritan dominated Yankee states”
What’s interesting is that these modern day busybody crusaders no longer espouse Christianity, yet they have the same puritanical zealotry about them. They have rather seamlessly transitioned to a sort of secular religion, which is the best way I know to describe it despite the apparent contradiction in terms.
The radical abolitionists, the suffragettes, the temperance movement, it was all just one moral crusade after another. They were the SJWs of their time, and there is something about them that demands a relentless identification and punishment of all heresies to their ideology. Once they’ve browbeat people into submission, they get to work imagining brand new heresies to police.
What they did to the South, they quickly exported to the larger world. “The Ugly American” is what the rest of the world sees.
I think you have it well in hand. An excellent example is Joseph Lieberman, a Jew, with a huge part of the Puritan ethos in his milieu. Puritans always “we know what’s good for you and will kill you to get it to you”. A mentality that’s responsible for the deaths of thousands of whites. There are many more within the ruling oligarchy in the US, all dominated by Jews.
“The radical abolitionists, the suffragettes, the temperance movement, it was all just one moral crusade after another. They were the SJWs of their time, and there is something about them that demands a relentless identification and punishment of all heresies to their ideology.”
Damn that was a mouthful, almost poetic. The “something about them” is that moral crusades of any type can only be accomplished one particular way when persuasion doesn’t do it. We may call that a shared attribute. We may also call it thuggery. They “demand a relentless identification and punishment of all heresies to their ideology.” Yes they do, don’t they?
Funny how everyone can see that the other guy’s moral crusade always qualifies, but never their own. I wonder what could possibly resolve that problem. Just kidding…I don’t.
“The south had very little use for the Puritan dominated Yankee states….”
As opposed to the Baptist dominated southern states? You protestant twit. I’d normally say six of one, half-dozen of another, but the truth is, with you, half of nothing is always nothing. And that’s all you’ll ever be.
“We Southern nationalists….” Sorry, that game has already been played. You lost. Deal with it.
And like Jeff Davis would have been any different. Are you for real?
America is a “propositional nation”? I guess that depends on what your definition of “is” is.
Naturalization Act of 1790: Per Wikipedia, “This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character.”
Reblogged this on FOR GOD AND COUNTRY.
My somewhat on and off topic submission: CNN says all whites are supremacists, and my intermittently sarcastic input.
A few decades ago (few is more than one right?), I took a
few days of a Dale Carnegie Class ( I was younger then ).
One trait that stood out, till today was – “I know people in the
ranks that are going to stay in the ranks, simply because they
haven’t the ability to get things done.”
Zig Ziglar ( Hilary Hinton “Zig” Ziglar heh 🙂 was another one and
he had his red haired wife too.
I think that a burning desire to help in achieving, no matter the “rank,”
and of course, what is being “done,” is what gives each and every one
of us character, among the varied characteristics – The good, the bad,
or the ugly.
When I was a small boy, every time I would see an airplane fly
into this direction, I would imagine that America was up in the clouds
somewhere. In the heavens I supposed. Time and space passes,
in turbulence or calm winds, but the important way to strive to, I
think is working at it, and be an American, a good one, or better,
a man or woman of good character with good sound judgement,
and striving towards that.
“Every man to his family and his possessions”
They spend a lot of time over there sniffing each other’s butts.
I’m a Virginian. Couldn’t really give a damn about a federal govt. Although I’m open to another Confederacy with other Southern States. And like minded States in other areas of North America.
And another thing – Sat Cong!
Red in OleVirginny
Z-man is an atheist and so he runs into error when he travels certain roads. This is one of them, as he wishes to downplay the SPECIFIC Christian nature to the ‘proposition’. This issue is a huge factor among the “dissident right” or whatever the Patriot/conservative movement is called. There remains such a divide between Christians (ie Bible-believing followers of Jesus, not Mary-worshippers dressed in robes from Rome who like little boys and are now doctrinal universalists) and non-Christians that I doubt any lasting alliance can form.
The left forms alliances easily BECAUSE none of them really BELIEVE anything! They are capable of such contradictions as queers and moslems teaming up, or womyn and muzzies. Not so for many of us. I can make common cause against an enemy, but our philosophical underpinnings are very different and will come into conflict.
Apparently priestless Mother-of-God-haters are missing not only the first chapter of Luke but also the references to a priesthood and hierarchy in their expurgated “Bibles.”
“Bible-believing followers of Jesus”
Which Bible, though?
We have EXTREMELY accurate manuscripts now, and over 99% of the Greek NT is NOT disputed. There are literally thousands of ancient manuscripts of the NT. There is nothing else remotely comparable. Going to the first and second century church fathers, their writings incorporate large portions of the NT, and it is ALL quite consistent and coherent. Peter was simply one of the early church leaders who did serve for a time as the pastor of the church in Rome. James, the brother of Jesus, was the pastor of the church in Jerusalem, the first real church, not Peter. Nor was Peter head of the first church council (the Council of Jerusalem) which you can read about it Acts.
Similarly, there was NOTHING in the early church of Mary being anything special. Yes, she was the mother of Jesus, the HUMAN nature of Jesus. OBVIOUSLY not the DIVINE nature of Jesus (God doesn’t HAVE a mother, duh!).
Over the centuries as Rome consolidated power, more and more teachings were added, non-Biblical doctrines. The corruption grew and grew, JUST LIKE THE PHARISEES! They added the traditions of man (buying someoe into heaven via indulgences? REALLY???) just as “the Jews” did with the Talmud. Jews do not follow OT Scripture just like Roman Catholics do not follow NT Scripture.
Translations? Sure, there are different versions. The ESV and NASB are the most accurate ‘word for word’ translations. This is not in dispute. The “KJV only” crowd are following a document translated from LESS ACCURATE manuscripts than we have today, and it is written in archaic language. It certainly has a sort of majesty in some passages, but it is not a good source to accurately understand the teachings as some word and phrase meanings have changed in English over the past few hundred years.
Many of you put forth views that are internet repetition or old traditions, they are simply incorrect. Ignorance about Biblical matters is rampant, with few being able to actually support their belief with facts and logic. I have countless hours of study, as well as a great deal graduate-level seminary work in apologetics. I don’t pull things out of thin air. Disbelieve at your own peril.
I have provided dozens of scriptural verses about:
(1) the special position of the Mother of God
(2) the priesthood, hierarchy, and papacy.
You are at liberty to remain in denial. Your loss. Very sad.
Despite your bluff about “thousands of ancient manuscripts of the NT,” the Bible makes explicit reference to ordained priests and bishops, and the only reference to “pastor” in the New Testament is a reference to Jesus Christ Himself. (Hebrews 13:20)
“Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood.”1 Timothy 4:14
“ For which cause I admonish thee, that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee, by the imposition of my hands.” 2 Timothy 1:6
“And when they had ordained to them priests in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed.” Acts 14:22
“Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Acts 20:28
“For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:…” Titus 1:5
“These they set before the apostles; and they praying, imposed hands upon them.” Acts 6:6
“He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When He had said this, He breathed on them; and He said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.” John 20:21-23
And, once again, the verses supporting the papacy:
As for the papacy and the hierarchy, Jesus founded one Church (singular, not plural, in Matthew 16:18), a visible Church to govern (Matthew 16:19 & 18:18), teach (Matthew 28:19-20), and sanctify (Matthew 28:18-19; John 20:23). Divinely and logically consistent with His commissions, Jesus founded one Church, singular, with one central authority (Matthew 16:19 & 18:18), a visible organized society (Mark 4:11), and called for oneness of doctrine (John 17:11, 21-23).
The Church hierarchy was established while the Apostles were still alive. The Apostles who walked and talked face-to-face with Jesus formed and participated in the hierarchy and teaching authority, “the Magisterium.” The Apostles neither rebelled nor spoke against the hierarchy or teaching authority. The existence and legitimacy of the hierarchy and Magisterium preceded Constantine by almost 4 centuries. The hierarchy and Magisterium are apostolic, not ‘pagan.’ The phony claims of heretics then and now are contradicted by mountains of evidence. St. John the Apostle submitted to 4 popes in his life (St. Peter, St. Linus, St. Anacletus, St. Clement I) without one word against them. St. Clement’s letter in about 95 A.D. exercised his papal authority against a troublesome faction in Corinth. The Corinthian Christians, like the Apostles, respected and obeyed papal authority then and after.
‘…just like Roman Catholics do not follow NT Scripture.”
Oh really? I just provided dozens of Scriptural verses describing the ordained priesthood, hierarchy, and papacy.
It is the “Bible Believers” who are bereft of scriptural support for their hate-the-Mother-of-God and every-dork-a-pope doctrines.
Oh really? Since you are such a great admirer of Scripture, maybe you can reconsider your talmudic denigration of the Mother of God in the light of Scripture:
“…a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’ s name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. …And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. …The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. …Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. …And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. …the mother of my Lord…the infant in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art thou that hast believed… And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. …henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.…”
The Church isn’t based on the Bible. The bible exists because of the Church. Understand that first.
You want as accurate as you can get today? Get a copy of the Douay Rheims. Read the preface and understand why it exists in English at all. The information will jump off the page at you, without all the twisted and convoluted wordsmithing used to obfuscate meaning found in the KJV.
“The Church isn’t based on the Bible. The bible exists because of the Church. Understand that first.”
Precisely. Oh if only the ‘sola scriptura’ protestants could grasp this simple, but absolute, Truth.
Profile In Treason: The Inconceivable Evil Of John McCain—“Man Of Blood”
“There is no hatred more complete and no malevolence more fanatical than that held by the American political class for the American people. The commissar’s rage against the kulaks, the jihadist’s fury against the infidel, the inquisitor’s wrath against the unbeliever, all of this pales in comparison to the genocidal bloodlust Senators and Congressmen have against their own constituents. And even as they gleefully promote the outsourcing of jobs, the importation of cheap labor, and the ruthless extirpation of property, wealth and liberty, these shameless parasites demand their slaves die to export their filthy System all over the world.
The most contemptible and dangerous of these vermin is Senator John McCain.”
That, Mr. Hines, is the money quote for 2017. Senator McCain’s demise from brain cancer cannot come fast enough. The sad thing is that there are plenty of contemptible vermin left for us dirt people to deal with.
Jane Fonda. 10/17.”I don’t regret going to Vietnam.”
I want to hit her in the face with a T-post.
T-post driver, maybe. Fact still remains that she gets the worse punishment possible…being her.
“And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’ s name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And behold thy cousin Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her that is called barren: Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. And Mary rising up in those days, went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda. And she entered into the house of Zachary, and saluted Elizabeth. And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord.
“And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.” Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him. He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.”
Psalms prefigure Mary as the “house” of the Lord (like the Ark), the “daughter of the King” (to be honored). Don’t be confused by the differences in Catholic and Protestant Psalm numbering.
Psalms 44:14: “All the glory of the daughter of the King is within…”
Psalm 83:3-5: “My soul longeth and fainteth for the courts of the Lord. My heart and my flesh have rejoiced in the living God. For the sparrow hath found herself a house, and the turtle a nest for herself where she may lay her young ones: Thy altars, O Lord of hosts, my king and my God. Blessed are they that dwell in thy house, O Lord: they shall praise thee for ever and ever.” Just as in Luke 1:48, “…henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.”
There are other such examples.
Numbers 9:15: “Now on the day that the tabernacle [a tent used as a sanctuary for the Ark of the Covenant] was reared up, a cloud covered it…” prefigures Mary in Luke 1:35, “And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
2 Kings 6:9-15 (2 Samuel for Protestants) repeatedly mentions the Ark and describes David’s joy dancing at the return of the Ark. This prefigures Mary as the Ark in Luke 1:44-56 when Elizabeth’s baby jumped in the womb in the presence of Mary, the New Ark, bearing Jesus in her womb, “… the infant in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord.”
As an Orthodox Christian, I applaud your post above. Too many believe Christianity began in the 16th century.
Christ’s Church actually began in 33AD.
Indeed you have a valid priesthood, episcopacy, and sacraments.
Sad to say, the infiltration of the Church has wrought great damage to the Faith and the Faithful.
The monster currently “subsisting in” the Chair of Peter is a heretic: https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.is/2017/09/the-hits-keep-on-coming-filial.html
You may find this book interesting. It chronicles the subversion that began not with “Vatican 2,” but with the Renaissance (of paganism, kabbalism, and occultism).
The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome
by Michael Hoffman,
available at https://www.amazon.com/dp/0990954722
For the lost priestless ones who pretend to believe the Bible:
Jesus did not found an anarchy of churches having mutually exclusive doctrines like the 35,000+ sects of Protestantism in which every dyslexic with an interrupted grammar school education and an expurgated Protestant “Bible” gets to make up his own doctrine and be his own little “pope.”
Jesus compared His Church to a number of very visible objects: a body, a kingdom, a sheepfold, a net (Matthew 13:47), a city, a field. Jesus Christ, true God and True Man, Messiah, Second Person of the Holy Trinity, God did not compare His Church with a disorganized rabble of conflicting doctrines and morality.
No, the disparagement of His One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and the anti-biblical promotion of private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20) is based in the Original Sin of Adam and Eve, that men “might be as gods (Genesis 3:5). Emulating Lucifer, many men declare “Non serviam.” They will not serve God, but their own traditions. Remember, that was the key judgment against the Pharisees, that they voided the commandments of God for the man-made traditions of the rabbis (Mark 7:8-9).
Huzzah – for all the Protestants out there who read their King James with the words written in red … you cannot pick and choose which words written in red you want to follow. Either take it all or take none.
Orthodoxy maintains the Apostolic Authority.
“Had Luther and Calvin been confined before they had begun to dogmatize, the states would have been spared many troubles.” – Cardinal Richelieu.
Mr. Liguori: Are you a Novus Ordo Catholic? Or, were you, like me baptized pre-Vatican II? FYI: I’m 70 years old.
I am not of the 50-year-old Novus Ordo sect, but of the Catholic Faith as it has been for 2 millennia… Catholic schools… honors Latin and Greek… and an altar boy for the true Mass… never abused by any priest or prelate 🙂
I am a Native-born Citizen of the State of Oregon. My mother and two of my grandparents were born in Oregon. All of my grandparents, my father, my Aunts and Uncles, and at least 4 of my great grandparents were born inside the States or territory of the United States. I served honorably in the armed services of the United States, when I was young and dumb (but, shit was not so fucked up in the 1980’s, either; to paraphrase President Cammacho). I carry a US passport because State DL’s are so variable and unreliable as ID. I have no “dual citizenship” status or aspirations. I am probably as much of an American as you will find.
Will I bear arms for the Nation-State that is the USA? Uhhh, that depends on what the deal is. Die for Arab oil? No way. Better to walk and pay gold. Bother the Koreans if they stand down and behave? Nope. Send bothersome Fed’s packing when they demand local “assistance”? Yep. Kill invading Pinelanders and Amish regulars on the Oregon coast in their landing craft? Hell, yes. Blood and soil. On the beaches, in the forests, in the sub-Alpine valley, and over salmon-filled rivers. That’s why we keep doing sweaty PT, fussing with radios, and feeding heavy .30 rifles for practice with no one paying me to do it.
It’s too late…The Enemies within…
Our Founding Fathers believed in limiting American citizenship to only White people. Reminder that George Washington signed the Naturalization Act of 1790 into law: The original United States Naturalization Law (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character. It thus excluded American Indians, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks and later Asians although free blacks were allowed citizenship at the state level in certain states. It also provided for citizenship for the children of U.S. citizens born abroad, stating that such children “shall be considered as natural born citizens,” the only US statute ever to use the term. It specified that the right of citizenship did “not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”
The (((LIBERALS))) of “next to greatest generation” managed to change the law, and ‘Merica, in 1965.
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The leftist that he is, he was also a nationalist —
“Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
Knowing the lingua franca of this country is the minimum requirement to be considered ‘American’.
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