New And Old: The AR Over Time – Part I

History of an iconic weapon.


13 responses to “New And Old: The AR Over Time – Part I

  1. Detroit III

    The rifle still was horrible in 2003. The battle the 507th Maintenance Co. Got in found every American weapons…M2, M249, M4…jammed.

    That is the battle Jessic Lynch won the Silver Star for impersonating a crash-test dummy (she never fired her weapon).

    So good luck with your jam-oh-matics.

    • It is a piece of equipment. As such, it requires Soldier Maintenance every day. Lynch’s support pogue buddies didn’t do that because they weren’t “combat troops” and didn’t have a combat mindset going in. ( “Hey, we’re not infantry… we’re spoons, PAC rats and truck drivers…” )

      It is a very poor workman who blames his tools.

      I have used the M-16 family of weapons in arctic conditions, in equatorial jungle, in the driest deserts, and in the salty sea. If I did my part ( a brush down / rub down in the morning, oil the BCG, rod the bore, inspect the mags… or in salt water, a fresh water rinse and a light coat of oil), it never failed me. Are there better cartridges for it to fire? Sure there are. That can be debated all year long. The weapon itself works.

      A twelve year old monkey can be taught how to use the AK. So what? Are you and your friends 12 year old monkeys? Can a 12 year old monkey be trained to engage and HIT targets out to 400, 500, and 600 meters? Are you saying you can’t be trained to a higher standard than a 12 year old monkey?

      So you have a 327 instead of a 454. You would prefer the 454. Does that mean the 327 is a piece of shit? Does that mean you can’t make it run like mad if you do YOUR part? No.

      So do your part.

      As a close friend, and Marine Officer, said when we had this discussion, good troops might be armed with Flintlocks and Hatchets, but if disciplined and well trained they will still fight well.

    • The AR’s are all in a safe. The AK rests next to my bed…

  2. If EVERY SINGLE ONE of your battle proven weapons jams. . . the issue is you and your lack of soldierly maintenance.

  3. “…found every American weapons…M2, M249, M4…jammed.

    Every single weapon jammed? That’s indicative of a training/maintenance issue, not a reliability issue.

  4. SemperFi, 0321

    My first several M16’s in training and with 3rdMarDiv were the early models, no butt trap and 3 prong flash suppressor. After rotating back to 2ndMarDiv, finally got a new and improved A1 model. Shot high expert with it.
    I happen to have one just like it today, still prefer the pencil bbl over the A2 version.

  5. I have carried the M16A1, and I’ll never do that again. My “1,2,3” choice is: M1 Garand in new condition.(mint collector grade) M 1903Mk.1(mint collector grade) and my Russian AKM.(almost new Izmash) I would not carry an AR anything if they were laying around on the ground with vest’s full of free ammo. Not that the police and military would leave them behind. Even hopelessly jammed. The M16 in one form or another has been around for 50+ years. The military has been trying to get rid of them for 50+ years. SOMEBODY claims to have “worked the bugs out” of every new incarnation. They still fail in combat. Every thing Eugene Stoner ever designed was a combat failure. You couldn’t get me to carry one for 2 million dollars and all the ammo I could find on the dead fanboys.

  6. Alfred E. Neuman

    Reblogged this on FOR GOD AND COUNTRY.

  7. How come when somebody decides not to worship at the Alter of Stoner the fan boys always go “Its because you don’t…..Clean it right or lube it right, or use the ammo prescribed in the holy book of stoner? How the fuck do you know? Were YOU THERE? I hate everything AR. I think they are the most butt ugly , untrustworthy, underpowered, Jam-O-Matic ever made. AND I was telling my truth. I have had them fail me almost at the cost of my life. If I hadn’t had a UA handgun I’d be dead now. I’d carry a five shot military bolt gun in new condition over any 5.56 ever made. I own a Garand because it is the only US issue battle rifle available to the public without 25 grand and a “mother may I” from the federal. I thought about a drop forged LRB M-14 SA , but the M-14SA doesn’t give me anything I don’t already have in the Garand, and I can carry more ammo in the M1956 ammo pouches for the Garand (9 clips per pouch that’s 72 rounds) Vs. the three Magazines (60 rounds) per pouch I can fit for the M14SA. I consider the so called “advantage” of the “hi cap mag” to be propaganda. It has never done anything but add pounds to my load. So I’ll stick with my 1911 and My M-1 rifle. Or if that go’s down My other US Military issue rifle and handgun. But y’all can keep the AR’s. I don’t want one thanks. P.S. I have never been accused of not cleaning a weapon enough. I have had know it all’s tell me that “You’ll wear that gun out if you clean it that much”

    • Semper Fi, 0321

      I’ll agree with you on the M-1, impressive rifle all around. Shot my first one in 1969 at Marine Barracks, Bremerton WA as a young Naval Sea Cadet. Went to Navy Boot Camp the next yr in San Diego and shot one in 7.62 NATO, and then was issued an M-14 in 1972 when I went thru MCRD San Diego. I’ve owned several of each but somehow still prefer the M-1, perhaps because of it’s sleek design.
      I’ve got a mint M1903A1 Remington, but it still takes 3rd place to an M-1.

  8. Ah geeze, the comments already.

    Show up at my house with an AR and I have parts (big and small), spare uppers, optics/BUIS, mags, and lots of ammo. Even extra gear (pouches and such). And that goes for any vintage/config AR because (given unusual exceptions) manufacturers produced to mil specs.

    Show up with anything else…. ? If it’s .308/7.62MM, I got ammo. That’s it. Maybe some .30-06 depending on the time of year.

    In fact, show up without a rifle at all and I throw one of my spare AR middys in your face and make fun of you for as long as we live.

    Battlefield pick ups won’t be in boutique cals either.

  9. Infantrymen (squad/platoon/company/battalion/whatever) on night patrol cross river/stream and, once across, realize (or suspect) some of the weapons went under the water, and now need/want to make sure the water is drained out of the barrel(s). Infantrymen QUIETLY pull charging handle(s) to rear far enough to break the seal in chamber–created by a round being fully seated in the chamber–with muzzle pointed in a downward angle (think soda straw submerged in water and then a finger is place on one end and then lifted out of water, point open end of straw down, remove finger and watch water run out).

    Once seal is broken in chamber, charging handle is now slid slowly AND QUIETLY into the fully locked position. To fully re-seat the round and bolt into a proper firing position the forward assist is quietly pushed and tapped until the Infantryman feels sure the weapon is in battery.

    If you assume the forward assist is there to properly (and quietly?) seat or re-seat a GOOD round, it begins to make sense as to why the forward assist is still there.