15 Fighters: Headgear

You know the drill.

What you use and why, along with acquisition links.

Include cold, heat/sun, and, if relevant to you, anti-projectile.

BTW, you will likely be facing state actors with crew-served weapons for some of the coming Scourging.

Plan accordingly.

35 responses to “15 Fighters: Headgear

  1. Just ordered several balaclava from Colemans because I rediscovered when walking at 7 degrees and colder you will need to protect the skin on your face.

    Balaclava, U.S. G.I. Wool, -10° C. Rating
    https://colemans.com/shop/cold-weather-gear/balaclava-u-s-g-i-wool-10-c-rating/

    Balaclava, Nomex®
    https://colemans.com/shop/cold-weather-gear/balaclava-nomex-r/

  2. If you are facing crew-served weapons, the most you can ask of your headgear is concealment – not cover.

    • Yep dig a hole and hop in. I got nothing to add here really. We wore steel pots. Maybe a boonie for the sun/rain and a watch cap for the cold.

    • yeah, most helmets will only stop pistol rounds. supposedly the Russian helmets like the 6B47 are better since they will stop the high velocity (relatively) Russian pistols.

      The new ECH helmet the military is getting will stop 7.62×39 if the specs are true. probably why they cost 1,100 apiece.

  3. You missed a step. Between state actors with crew served and the current status quo there is usually a period of extra-judicious activity during which one should be thinking forensically, in addition to tactically and logistically.
    Antifa understands that, why do you think they wear masks all the time.

  4. How many of those state actors will still be there after they find their families are dead when they return home? Those families know what they are, yet they cheer them on anyway. Serve them under the same Rules of Engagement that their state actors serve you and yours. Send them to burn in hell for eternity.

    • And delivery truck drivers do not generally wear headgear. Brown shorts and short sleeve brown shirt, or whatever is appropriate for the other brands. Utility workers DO wear hard hats. Generally white or yellow, with black lettering on the front: “Con Ed’ or “AT&T” or whatever other utility serves the local area. The best headgear is whatever makes you look like you belong there.

      • Signing up for a Utility is kind of like filing for taxes they both have a ton of info on them…It’s good for Intel for sure…

      • M … your comment is a breath of fresh thought.

        Been collecting different occupational caps for years. Cap, clipboard and work boots = universal “I belong kit”

        For cold or wet weather, the Maxx-It Headover

        • But do realize that if one posts a recommendation, it would be VERY unwise for him to use same in his OWN operations. There are undoubtedly Only Ones sitting astride CA’s pipe, Hoovering up these posts as they come in. Please note I capitalized that intentionally. They then attach said post to your name and make it available to the Only Ones in your AO. And if that recommendation gets used in said AO, your local Only Ones have grounds to take your post to a judge and get a warrant. Not that most Only Ones, or most judges, actually give a damn about such niceties anyway…

    • In ’86, I went through basic training (Ft. McClellan, AL) in a steel pot. Got issued a pot at my first duty station in Germany (Schwabstadl Kaserne). A couple months later, turned in the steel pot for a kevlar. The “suspension systems” were the same, and it felt the same on your head. But the kevlar stopped some kinds of bullets and shrapnel, so that was cool. Some guys complained that you couldn’t use it as a bucket (etc.), but its main purpose was to protect your head, so who cares about using it as a bucket. I’d rather have an intact skull than a helmet I could also use as a bucket. At my last duty station (Ft. Stewart, GA), starting in about 2004, we got the new and improved ACH. More bullet proof than ever! Cool! But most of he older guys didn’t like the “suspension system,” which was basically a bunch of pads of various sizes that velcro into the helmet. Didn’t feel right. Kind of like having an adjustable baseball hat that was adjusted too loose. It’s on your head, but not really ON, some how. (Yeah, yeah, tell me I didn’t have it set up right.) The other deal about the ACH was that it doesn’t have the “visor lip” on it, so you could screw on a bracket that enabled you to mount NVGs on the helmet, which was cool. I think for SHTF scenarios, the kevlar will be fine, unless you have NVGs to mount on your helmet.

  5. Hot Weather / Rain:

    Hot weather and rain my go to for years of a USGI boonie hat in OD green with a misquote net to pull over if needed.

    Cold Weather:

    For cold weather my go to is a Mountain HardWear Dome:

    https://www.mountainhardwear.com/dome-perignon-%7C-090-%7C-m-887487771414.html?mid=paidsearch&eid=Microsoft+Bing+Prod+Ads+US&s_kwcid=AL!3937!10!76897164704262!4580496727123034&ef_id=WgnQ1wAABclUB6WK:20190225155718:s

    I have had one like this for years now, works great even around freezing but is good in the 40s F. If too warm I turn the ear portion up and works great. Combining this with a simply bandana over the face works great.

    Extreme Cold Weather / Cold + Wind:

    For extreme cold weather and especially riding in cold weather my go to is a merino wool Balaclava. I am currently using one of these and love it:

    https://www.aerotechdesigns.com/wool-balaclava-full-face-mask-for-cold-weather/

    I general though try to find them that drape down over the shoulders so they stay flat and don’t bunch up. But these don’t seem to do it that. These fit great under motorcycle helmets and when not wearing a helmet and in bitter cold I supplement the Balaclava with an old “radar” hat.

    Bump Protection – One thing I would add is the need to “bump protection,” these threats could come in the form of you smashing your head or someone smashing something into your head. I learned the value of this on search and rescue operations, especially urban search and rescue.

    I have been in several major disaster zones, mostly either earthquake or typhoon, and have been saved many a set of stitches by an old protec helmet. That helmet is long gone. If needed now I would press one of my motor cycle helmets into service for this purpose.

    That said I have heard really great things about the Team Wendy SAR helmets.

    https://www.opticsplanet.com/team-wendy-exfil-sar-tactical-helmet-with-rails.html?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=PLA&utm_term=&utm_campaign=4584757332054294&msclkid=8be2b740f0fd1c973474eb34fe61a61a

    Ballistic Protection:

    Not enough experience to comment. I have an old steel pot, I know that won’t cut it. Would love some recommendations.

    Dust / Pollution:

    Another consideration is dust and pollution protection. This is vital during hard times, especially if there is a lot of infrastructure damage, like in a natural disaster, military action or demographic replacement. My old go to has been the N95 respirator but frankly these suck. If have been testing out Cambridge pollution mask as a better option and they work great:

    https://cambridgemask.com/buy-a-mask/international/the-churchill-adjustable/

    I have been testing by riding open faced in rush hour and doing some nasty attic clean for a neighbor.

  6. Just my two cents, Never been a helmet wearing type, usually prefer the old Boonie hat. But on those occasion that it was necessary, I prefer the US Crash helmets to help prevent against Traumatic Brain Damage (concussion, etc). They are not designed to stop bullets but to decrease your risk for being put out of the fight for seeing double or not knowing why you are in the fight and who the bad guys are. Lot cheaper than Mich/bitch helmets around $30 to $50 bucks US. Here is a generic link… Scroll down to see the crash helmets.
    https://www.protechelmet.com/products.asp?cat=14

    • Ga, our bump helmets are very simlar, even the ballistic models. Their funtionable. You can mount the hearing protection in them aswell. We don’t have that stuff, I want to hear what’s going on around me. We’ve tried the electric ears, they work well, I just don’t lke them.

      Thanks for the link. Also if you purchase one of these consider buying an extra set of pads.

    • I would second that. Add the Mount for NVG’s on the front and call it a day.
      Just use them to hold NVGs and not bump your skull on a bridge I beam or steel staircase ( BTDT almost knocked myself out under a bridge one time!).

      If you can get a cheap surplus Kevlar, go for it but I think if you were trying to outfit 15 guys I would go with bump helmets and be satisfied.

      • We don’t have fifteen men, everybody outfitted themselves. My problem is I have so much crap purchased since the mid 80s, I don’t even remember what’s in 3/4 of the boxes. I need to do an inventory. When it warms up.

        Why do you guys choose the boony hats? What is their strength.

        DW

  7. Cold weather locals and us, use Carhartt, beanies, and wool hats. All the ranchers are calving right now and it’s been bitter cold, they like the wool style hats with a bill and ear muff that can be pulled down over their ears.

    Look funky, the ranchers and farmers swear by em. Local limeman and loggers seem to use the carhartt, under their crash helmets. ” lineman” what are you using when your climbing towers?

    We also have neck gators, rather then the above mentioned. Pull the gators up, above the nose, and the beanie down low. Below zero, we wear duel beanies.

    Balistic bump helmets. At least double the price of the helmets Dodge did a write up on. I should have gone to what he was using, cheaper better protection. But we already had the team Wendy products. And guess what they donated to the Dems.

    We also have just heavy plastic bump helmets, mostly to support nods. Frankly None of us like either. But I hate the catchers mask provided with nods even worse. They squeeze your brains out, just flimsy.

    DW

  8. Here in NE Tenn., camo boonie hat (with a balaclava in winter). Kevlar might be nice, especially when in vehicles, or manning defensive positions. Lots of guys go overboard and overthink this stuff. Just blend in with your AO, and break up the outline.

  9. John Jakoted

    I prefer the Ops-Core FAST Ballistic High Cut helmet. This is to use NVG (Night Vision) and prefer the “High Cut” so that we can use radio compatible Peltor hearing protection (Comtac III) … YMMV
    *Only time to Snoop-and-Poop is in the dark.
    Paratus Mane

    • Ach has enough room for peltors but it is cramped I think if you don’t already have an ach then high cut is the way to go but if you have one or a used one, not missing much by having high cut. Arc rails and night vision mounts fit too

  10. For the cold i have a generic balaclava and a few beanie caps.

    for the summer months i have a few boonie hats and a sort of brown denim wide brim hat, sorta like a cowboy hat but not really.

    I have a east German “vopo” steel helmet, i think its patterned off one of the soviet WW2 helmets. I only have it because it was cheap and i got it before I knew how dire the situation was. currently use it as a weight in my pack when I hike.

    http://brendonshelmets.weebly.com/uploads/6/5/3/7/6537276/7165752.jpg?709

  11. I always keep a darkish neutral ballcap around for blending in & shading eyes when used with some kind of watchcap; just part of the landscape up here. De rigeur if one of the 15 heads to town. I also keep a bandana of some kind handy in the summer when skulking around the woods. Useful as both a head covering & to wet to evac heat from areas like the neck or head. Issue for 15 folks? “Here’s your cap, your bandana, and your cold wx hat.” Regular cold-wx opns (especially wind+cold) add some neck protection.

    Sadly, the following are only in black but in serious double-digits-below, they are no-shit the real thing (personally tested):

    Fleece Toque (this one was at some point available in Camo, so it may pay to really play ferret) and
    Facemask and/or
    one of several gaiters or balaclavas as needed.

    As Quietus pointed out awhile back, that neck area can hemorrhage a ton of heat. Same concern should be placed anywhere one has large vessels close to the skin (head/neck, wrists, etc.). Those are the points you want to protect and managing that is the quickest way to stay warm/cool in temp extremes in my experience.

  12. I hate hats but will tolerate the helmet liner when it becomes really cold. My brother went to an Ushanka kind of hate, but I haven’t gone that far yet. I have more hair then he does though.

    In the heat, a boonie I guess. I used to wear a cowboy hat as a teenager, but continually ran into tree branches as we were often collecting arrowheads and ran into them as we concentrated on ground. A boonie’s brim is much less and why I evolved to that one.

  13. For less than extreme conditions a wool german M43 cap with scarf has been my go to combo for headgear for winter conditions. Summer, any wide brimmed hat with vents will do. Include large bandanna with the hat in various use combinations.

  14. your local sports team or tractor implement, nothing bright colored , that says look at or remember me . definately not one of those stupid magot hats. then hit them between the eyes after you pass a smile.

  15. 1) Wool watch cap
    https://www.amazon.com/Black-Military-Genuine-Department-Defense/dp/B00FQJG1QW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1551127728&sr=8-4&keywords=wool+watch+cap+military
    $8.50@
    Never improved, unless you live where you need the same thing in full-face.

    2) Boonie hat
    https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Issue-Boonie-Desert-MarPat/dp/B0719BVF4Z/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1551127917&sr=8-5&keywords=military%2Bboonie%2Bhats%2Bfor%2Bmen&th=1
    $8@ and up, in 57 flavors, colors, and camo patterns.
    Oh, and Scotch-Guard is your friend if you want to keep your noggin dry.

    3) K-pot, PASGT, MICH, or any other flavor of Kevlar melon-guard
    https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/us-military-surplus-pasgt-kevlar-helmet-used?a=1947305&pm2d=CSE-SPG-15-PLA&utm_medium=PLA&utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=CI&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrcTrxuLX4AIVCx-tBh1bPAiyEAQYAiABEgJhuvD_BwE
    $130@ and up

    Because shell fragments have no friends in combat, and you can’t beat the K-pot for stopping anything from frags to pistol and poorly-aimed rifle fire for turning what would be THUNK! DRIBBLE DRIP… into a mere THWAP! Lucky Bastard!

  16. Facemask with Integrated goggles. The problem with most other coverings is try to use them with any kind of eyewear.

    https://www.keepshooting.com/swiss-eye-swat-mask.html

    It also seems less likely to fog up but YMMV.

  17. Garry F. Owen, Trooper

    Tru Spec boonie for most seasons in my AO. Watch cap, I have tried several: Goretex lined, which crinkled like an old man after washing, Thinsulate lined, too hot, especially on the move. Now, just a good old stretchy watch cap, plus a new addition this year, a lightweight merino wool buff as a neck gaiter.

  18. That two inch X 1 inch shell fragment will be doing between 5000 and 17000 FPS at anything up to 100 meters. It really doesn’t matter what you have on your head if something bigger than an M-2 .50 cal. bullet going three times as fast OR MORE hits you….SPLAT! Small shell frags (9MM or smaller) moving at under 1000 FPS get stopped by body armor. Medium frags (10 to 22MM) get slowed down by body armor so you might live. Big frags cut you in half. Blow off limbs, or heads. Or just pulp you so that doc has to use an E-tool to scrape you into a body bag. If your enemy has crew served weapons that go BOOM. You pray for luck and a deep foxhole. If you are in the middle of somebody’s firing solution, or a TOT shoot. Luck and G_D will have WAY more to do with your survival , than who’s body armor you got on. They call that shit “Queen of battle” for a reason.

    • Direct hits negate anything but a Last Will and Testament.

      The headgear is for stuff that lands beyond lethal range.
      I watched a Navy corpsman pick up the smoking hot base of an exploding 155mm HE round that sizzled straight back past the gun line from point detonation at 200m and hit him in his PASGT vest on a direct fire shoot. It knocked him on his ass, and dropped to the ground where it hit.
      Zero damage (except probably a need for a clean pair of shorts).
      He would not have fared as well had that been merely his woodland cammies, or his bare face. He kept it afterwards as a souvenir.

      And then we were directed to shift fire to targets a bit farther away.

      And sorry, but it’s the Infantry that is the “Queen of Battle”.
      Artillery is King of Battle.

      Everyone knows what the king does to the queen.