A Pact?

Couched in terms of inter-Christian cooperation against a common Evil, read it and think about what some of the wiser voices said in this comment thread from earlier in the week.

The agents of Evil want their opponents looted, killed, or, best of all, converted.

The agents of Evil need to be defeated.

No more brother wars.

140 responses to “A Pact?

  1. Together?
    Together.

    • Does anyone remember the 1st Lord of the Rings movie? It came out shortly after 9-11 and it’s portrayal of humanity’s struggle against evil was very well presented, I have no doubt that Tolkien was a genius. The first struggle to face the peoples of Middle Earth was each other as presented in the chapter “The Council of Elrond” it is because of the animosity among the Council that the lowly Hobbit is chosen to bear the burden of the Ring.
      This is precisely where we are today, and I think that if we were to individually be more like a Hobbit and less like a Dwarf our brotherhood would be stronger for it.

      • NorthGunner

        Never forget that Tolkein was also a survivor/veteran
        of W.W.1; many of the things that he saw and suffered
        through found their way into the trilogy.

        He was definitely a genius.
        I never tire of watching the movies or
        reading the books.

        NorthGunner – The Truth Is It’s OWN Defense!

    • “Together? Together.” BUT…

      “Temporarily…”—visions of Hitler turning on Stalin.

      “Modernism”—Interesting to see a Protestant use the term, though he does not use it in the same sense as Catholics. For Catholics (not to be confused with Novus Ordinarians), Modernism is “the synthesis of all heresies” (cf. Syllabus of Errors). The Novus Ordo, in fact, epitomizes Modernism inasmuch as the Novus Ordo embraces virtually all the Errors of the Syllabus. http://www.dailycatholic.org/syllabus.htm

      “lowbrow Evangelical culture warriors”—Yes, and yet the author assiduously avoids “the third rail,” the Synagogue of Satan.

      “the re-establishment (in whatever form that might take) of Christianity as our officially-recognized religion”—The form that practicing Catholics (“trads”) embrace is called the Social Reign of Christ the King” http://christorchaos.com/ACatechismoftheSocialReignofChristtheKing.htm

      “…the current Pope (or “Pope,” as traditionalist Catholics sometimes say) is not a threat to me, except insofar as he promotes false Catholic doctrine. … I can therefore make common cause with a traditionalist Catholic by opposing those of Francis’s false teachings that the Catholic also acknowledges to be false.”—It is refreshing that Protestants are finally catching on to the Novus Ordo. The irony? Mr. Bergoglio rejects everything that the author considers “false” Catholic doctrine. Mr. Bergoglio is not a Catholic. Mr. Bergoglio was “ordained” in an invalid rite, so he is not even a priest. Mr. Bergoglio is not a Pope. http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html

      “As Christians saved by the mercy of God rather than our own virtue, we pledge not to harbor hatred for people who subscribe to Modernism. Although we will oppose the foul deeds and false beliefs of Modernism, and we will not have close fellowship with any person, Christian or not, who shows himself to be a partisan of Modernism, we acknowledge that Modernism, broadly defined, has brought some benefits to mankind, and we also acknowledge that… [Eph. 6:12,13]… We will defend ourselves when necessary, but we will seek to follow the Lord who taught us… [Mat. 5:44,45]”—Of course, we reject hatred of people while we hate sin.

      • Per your statement in a previous post, ‘Catholics are the only true Christians’, the pact described in the article does not apply to you as you cannot get past the ‘we are the only ones’ mentality.

        • Thank you for restating the obvious, something I already stipulated:
          “Cooperation among groups with drastically different (erroneous) philosophies/religions is inappropriate, unnecessary, and self-defeating…Catholic theology acknowledges a Principle of Double Effect….”
          https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2019/04/14/are-we-really-too-fubar-to-be-able-to-fight-effectively/#comment-300016

          Interesting that you hang on my every word, but never responded to this question: https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2019/04/14/are-we-really-too-fubar-to-be-able-to-fight-effectively/#comment-300361

          How does one legitimately claim to be Christian while rejecting Christ’s teachings?

          Most Protestants reject one or more of Christ’s teachings while substituting these man-made doctrines:

          one saved, always saved
          private interpretation
          sola scriptura
          denying the True Presence
          rejecting the sacramental priesthood
          rejecting sacramental confession
          rejecting the papacy
          the invisible church
          demoting Mary
          the rapture
          Zionism

          Scriptural proof text rebuttals to each of the heresies here:
          http://judaism.is/neo-pharisees.html

          “And what concord [pact] hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?…GO OUT FROM AMONG THEM, and be ye SEPARATE, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing: And I will receive you; and I will be a Father to you; and you shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
          2 Corinthians 6:15-18

          Of course, Protestants ape the rabbis in trying to correct God’s “mistaken” commands. You know, Popes, being separate, and such

  2. fwiw…. I don’t care what ‘religion’ you are, except mohammedan. If Sharia takes precedence over constitutional law, we’re gonna fight. I don’t care what color your skin is. I don’t care if you’re male or female. If you can fight, good. If you can load magazines for the fighters, good. If you can bandage the fighters, good. If you can feed the fighters, good. If you can love the fighters and give them a will and reason to fight for, great. It’s either Life, or extinction.

  3. The most powerful, ruthless and wealthy bank in it’s day, was the Templars. The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ.
    How many undercover Jew Templars are still hiding in caves in the highlands of Scotland ,Oak Island or the Vatican itself.?
    I have it on good authority, a gaggle of hebes was spotted at a deli in NYC. They were talking and eating. Sneaky bastards. Doing two things at once.

  4. But the three types of Christianity generally regard one another as heretics.

    No they don’t. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Nicene
    Creed is common to Catholicism, Protestantism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity. The rest consists of interpretative, ceremonial and historical differences.

    Brothers in Arms need to review the Red Flag Judiciary Hearing held three weeks ago.

    So the Nicene Creed and the Founders Republic, including 2A. I can bloodoath to that.

    • FUBAR:
      Walter Mitty
      Hitlertards
      Kids
      Ideationalists
      Soldier Wannabees
      Fatasses
      Brokedown Hasbeens (I am getting there)
      Feds
      Freaks
      Fanatics and,
      Lunatics.

      You will do more planting, filtering, weeding and burning the Agents of FUBAR as a warrior in a garden, than fighting a war as a gardener.

      Please don’t find this out the hard way good people.

      • The comments in this section as well as the one from the other day point out that IF the commenters here are representative of “what’s out there,” then there is NOTHING to expect outside of a massive Charlie-Foxtrot. The ignorance and lack of logic on display are only outweighed by the level of narcissism. All the atheist attacks sadden me, especially when they seek to make some sort of moral claims

        Careful study of Scripture (and I’m not referring to pronouncements from some guy in a pointy hat that are NOT found in Scripture… you know, like the worship of Mary for example) makes the sort of war being discussed here as a more dicey issue than I truly had considered. There are a number of passages (not just Romans 13) that make rebellion from the government questionable. Disobeying a law that is directly opposed to God (in a clear manner) is my responsibility. For example, were I in a “marriage license granting position” I would NOT issue one to a same-sex couple. Alabama was looking at doing away with marrage licenses to avoid dealing with the Feds over this issue.

        But it turns out that it is much harder to find clear justification for the sort of armed insurrection that many seem to call for. Killing non-combatants is clearly not sanctioned in the New Testament, and followers of Christ are actually supposed to be far more patient and tolerant of their own persecution.

        Let me clearly state: I do not like that idea! I similarly don’t like God’s moral law about sex (only in marriage between one man, one woman, for one lifetime)! Since my wife’s death I haven’t done so well with this, but that is His moral law!

        Defending the innocent against direct, present, lethal aggression can be supported. Much of what may well be needed (in my view) seems very difficult to support without really twisting Scripture. I don’t think Romans 13 and the rest call for worship of government, but I am troubled by how little appears to be Biblically justified.

        God has been dealing with me about sexual morality (I am STUBBORN!). So I find myself digging into His Word far more deeply in several areas, especially about aggression and force, and seeking input from others whom I respect on the potential for civil violence. Very sketchy area, my brothers!

  5. The difficulty is in recognizing what is that common evil.

    • Actually there isn’t any difficulty in recognising the enemy. All Christians of every stripe need to join forces against a common enemy that wants us dead. Interesting how the secular media and governments all support and condone every evil act committed by Muslims.Almost like their common aim is to destroy Christians. Look to the Notre Dame fire, see how that will become ‘workplace violence/accident” and never ever arson set by Jihadis bent on destroying Christianity.

  6. Ben Franklin said”we must indeed,all hang together or,most assuredly,we shall hang separately”. Mathew 22:39 “you shall love your neighbor as yourself”. Agreed,no more brother wars.divide and conquer is a tool of the devil.

  7. Good vs. Evil. Pretty basic. Most managed to vote R not D last time, but perhaps this is too hard.
    I would say, Christ is the head. Period. Singular. At least until the false christ arrives.
    If everyone wants to argue middle management, then Satan wins.
    The wheat from the chaff won’t be by us anyway.

    CA could you point out the gem comments? I could stand a little charity w/o the bile.

    • “I would say, Christ is the head. Period.”

      Aw, find the courage to go look in a mirror. You’ve already got one of those. Period…just look. I promise, it’s there.

      That you can use it to create a different one is interesting alright. It’s just worthless for the current Candid Exchange of Views, that’s all.

      So believe as you wish, but accept the fact that others will too. Your choices are to either accept this fact or line up behind the storytellers to steamroll over the continent. I covered that below…losing is just oh-so-comfortable.

      • Do have a reading comprehension problem Klein or are you just obtuse…Couched in terms of inter-Christian cooperation against a common Evil, that would mean we are discussing how or if Christians can cooperate with one another…Are they paying you enough I hope it’s worth the cost of being a fucking traitor…I always notice you stick your head up anytime there might be a chance of cohesion amongst the Brothers…The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end…

        • “The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end…”

          i expected more from you Lineman.

          once again i’m left both disappointed and enlightened.

        • Aw, so cute. Hey, I can remember when you used to talk liberty. Now just another punk looking for a mob. “Sad, that.”

          No wonder you don’t believe in honoring oneself, huh?

          • Really Klein so who’s the liar now… When have I ever said I was for mob rule…Yea and I don’t believe in honoring myself I believe in honoring others for the sacrifice they make for me and hope they appreciate the sacrifice I make for them and if they don’t then that’s ok to…

            • Why, who was the liar then? Go read what you wrote about me, asshole.

              Maybe grow a set and you do you. You’ll apologize if you ever get there.

              Looks like you forgot what unity means. Maybe try the one thing everyone has in common.

        • During the ‘Indian Wars’ what caused the Indians to lose was their inability to join together to fight a common enemy. They couldn’t put aside old animosities and it led them straight to the reservations.

        • Why Lineman is playing so “butch” lately? Lately he’s also been extending invitations to the men here. “I’m in your AO,” etc.

          • Because I’m not scared to show my face Al unlike you…Your kind always work from the shadows to cause hate and discontent…One day the sun will shine on you count on it…

  8. AppealToHeaven

    As it was foretold in more places than “1”…..

    I Pet Goat II

    …pay attention to the 5:57 mark…

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Imnbvu4SDzAI/

    ((They)) will usher in their anti-christ…

    Godspeed.

  9. I’ve long though that a little solidarity amongst Christian brothers was long overdue. I have adjusted the attitude of my upbringing towards Protestants in recent years to reflect this.

    Every time somebody here cracks a joke, serious or not, about pedophile priests, you not only insult the 99+% of clergy who have never been involved in such or it’s coverup, but you also create potential enemies among your natural Christian allies.

    I’d suggest knocking it off, lest there be nobody to stand up for you when it’s your brand of Faith on the menu.

    • Your stated percentage is correct for Catholic clergy, but credible estimates of Novus Ordo “presiders” range from 50 to >90% are pederasts, fags, and enablers. In better times, Catholic peasants would long ago have fixed the problem. As deeply as the insults sting, our failure to extirpate the problem warrants punishment. Any Catholic, priest or layman, who is not actively fighting the problem is an accomplice—period.

      Forgive me, please, for seeing a joke in your serious post. Your “nobody to stand up for you” comment reminded me of a Protestant joke:

      “First they came for the blacks. I said nothing.
      Then they came for the Jews. Still, I said nothing.
      Then they came for the Mexicans. Finally I said something: ‘Are you sure you got all the Jews?’”
      —Pastor Martin Neimöller, Jr.

  10. I think it’s an excellent idea; reading the comments was also instructive. The examples of the crusades and fight for Vienna were superb examples in the comments.

    Up front, however, no matter how willing some may be here, I have a bad feeling the ‘pact’ won’t be adopted or accepted here. I really hope I’m wrong on that….

  11. Interesting concept.

    Probably would have to be seperate entities, less the infighting become too much, with each self-forming under their own “grass-roots” leadership without the formal ecumenical leaders.

    I could get behind the idea of seperate “Crusader”, “Prussian”, “Cossack”, “Gustavus Adolphus”, “Calvinist” and “Hussar” Regiments to fight alongside White Regional units to battle the Anti-Whites to the last.

    The aftermath would have to be, likewise, a pact to live together or seperately, lest the Brother Wars would continue.

    • Jimmy the Saint

      “lest the Brother Wars would continue.”

      They always will continue. People will always find a reason to fight and kill each other, and the last man standing will assuredly attack his own reflection in the mirror.

      • SemperFi, 0321

        +10
        Don’t know what it is about human ego and stupidity, but they sure go hand in hand.

  12. 1. Can people agree to focus outwardly on a common enemy and, for the time being, put aside differences among themselves?
    2. Do you have a secure backyard, i.e., safe place to rest/refit? (see also “don’t shit where you eat”)
    3. Are you prepared to kill?

    Don’t think most are even close to getting #1 checked off. That is a problem. The Commies use those chinks to defeat their opposition in detail; they do it already.

    • “1. Can people agree to focus outwardly…”

      Too funny. That’s the one thing nearly EVERYONE agrees about, progs and trads alike. What a remarkable coincidence.

      • I could be slow. Are you saying it is a common problem, or that it’s already been surmounted? If the latter, the commentariat here often seems to leave me with a different impression.

        • Neither, really. It’s just that more outward focus is about the last thing anyone needs these days, especially here Sorry for the ambiguity; I agree with the rest of your comment. Just the line caught me, that’s all

          • Ok, trackin’, thanks. On reflection, perhaps that comment from me was a bit too polite. Perhaps I should’ve said “agree to focus on the f’n core enemy and less on the petty internecine BS.” 🙂

            • Ain’t nuthin’ but individuals out there, so “core enemy” is an oxymoron if it refers to anything more than that. Obviously tons of people are enemies, but you can’t make someone one just by thinking. Only they can make themselves an enemy of yours in reality, by their own choices.

  13. “Speak not evil of thy Christian Brother till Evil itself speaks no more.”

  14. robroysimmons

    Thanks for responding on that other thread, I thought you went on to chat about them gunz and stuff and I stopped peeking at it.

    4GW is not about insurgency morphing into regiments it is about the legitimacy of the state, and good lord I thought Aesop was smarter than that. In 1975 our anti-commie faction of government had shit legitimacy and therefore the Red Gooks rolled over the South Gooks by driving B-52 bait straight down what passed for highways.

    We have one advantage and it is not tuff talk about gunz on the net or getting a dozen people to head off into the woods to kill them Reds it is the fact that our shit empire’s elite is auto-delegitimizing itself.

    Conservatives exist to give the fig leaf of consent to the gooberment/state elite and the couple dozen dissident insurgent websites are harmless blow off outlets or recruitment devices for the occasional goofball who’s purpose is to legitimize the police state (Pittsburgh).

    • 4GW is not about insurgency morphing into regiments it is about the legitimacy of the state

      Um, no.
      Firstly, I never said 4GW was “about insurgency morphing into regiments”.
      So -10 from Hufflepuff for poor reading comprehension.

      Secondly, 4GW is not “about the legitimacy of the state”.
      4GW is violence by a non-state entity in a decentralized manner against an established politico-military opponent, usually a nation-state.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_warfare

      So if you’re not clear on the meaning of the terms, you probably shouldn’t attempt to lecture others based on your own misconceptions.

      4GW doesn’t “morph into regiments”.
      That’s Maoist retardation, and such nonsense filled a lot of body bags during Tet. The VC never morphed into anything; they were simply wiped out.

      In the American Revolution, ragtag militia didn’t morph either.
      Actual regular units won conventional victories. Like Texicans at the Alamo, the less-organized militia’s job was to buy time for conventional forces, and force the enemy to squander resources and dissipate their strength. Look at Arnold’s march on Canada for a sterling lesson in what happens when a ragged militia tries to do army-level things far beyond its ability.

      4GW is what you do when you don’t have any other options.
      Like Europe circa 1942, its purpose is to harass, harry, annoy, tie down, wear down, and waste conventional units in defending every single piece of key terrain and infrastructure. In Iraq, Afghanistan, and Northern Ireland, you outlast. In France, Italy, and the Balkans, you force your enemy to piss away strength, dissipate forces, and radicalize the citizenry.
      When you try to “morph”, like the VC, you get your ass handed to you on a platter.

      4GW doesn’t win wars.
      It just keeps them going until one side can’t (or no longer wants to) keep playing.
      Or it gets wiped out.
      Neither outcome is guaranteed.

      • robroysimmons

        You should have skipped to your last paragraph and left it at that. And don’t quote shitapedia they more or less gave you the definition for insurgency, and not the waning legitimacy of the state. So insurgency is a tactic and part of the operational art of 4GW. IMO those It’s OK to be White flyers are more effective than 7.62 flyers, for now.

        Anyway we have exactly one advantage over the Authoritarian State which is empowered to loot us to death and that is they are auto-delegitimizing at a fairly fast pace. Help them

        Anyway I appreciate the forum, you youngins who are reading this don’t let us Boomers mire you down with our conservatism which is manufactured consent for ass rape by the globalists.

        • If you refuse to look up the sources for Wikipedia’s information, including the guys who coined the term and wrote the literal books on 4GW, because you’re too smart for that, you cannot be helped.

          The legitimacy (or lack of it) of a state is an outcome of 4GW, not its precursor.

          What you give consent to is your business, but don’t blame it on conservatism, as nothing of one has anything to do with the other, by any stretch of imagination. If you’ve given consent for your own ass rape, take the credit for it yourself, instead of trying to palm off blame elsewhere.

  15. Ulster Orange

    It is, I believe, a sad commentary on modern society that the closest thing to actively defending western culture and values today is embodied in Putin and Russia. The very notion, which you allude to in speaking against fratricdal wars, that the west and Russia seem to be inching closer to conflagration is deeply troubling, and if such conflict did occur, I see the only beneficiary being Islam.

    • no, the only beneficiary will be organized Jewry.

      that’s why its the Judeo-globalists (not “Islam”)

      promoting War between (White) Russia

      and (still mostly-White) Europe/America.

      (((they))), one way or another intend to and are

      exterminating the Whites worldwide.

  16. “We recognize that Christianity is the true religion. ”

    how absurd.

    religion is a loser.

    it will be forgotten.

    the Great tfA-t has spoken

  17. Darrell Cloud

    It was the monasteries of the Catholic Church that preserved the sacred writings of the apostles during the dark ages. Without them, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John’s writings would have burned in the sacked towns and villages of Western Europe. It was Catholic Christians that manned the armies of Charles Martel that kept all of Europe from becoming a Muslim caliphate. We can dismiss all of that history if we want as we claim superior insight into the faith, but writing off Catholics and Eastern Orthodox serves only the prince of darkness.

    The Muslims, the communists, the atheists, the homosexuals and the globalist have formed a pact. That pact is readily apparent when you look at the coalition that makes up the Democratic Party. They are lined up against all those that would support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They want to open the borders and flood this country with foreign nationals. They want to exterminate western culture, and they want to exterminate whites. If we lose this battle against this coalition of evil, we will get to watch our wives and daughters raped and crucified. The Armenians can attest to this truth. http://www.yonkerstribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/IBRAHIM-042515-Ravished-Armenis-German-Movie.jpg

    The globalists are ecstatic over the splintering of Christianity. It makes the United States more easy to destroy. The lamentations of Reverend Niemoller come to mind. A version of those lamentations that would address our current situation would read something like this: First they came for the followers of the oldest Christian church in Europe and I said nothing because I was not an Armenian. Then they came for the Eastern Orthodox Christians in Serbia and I said nothing because I was not Eastern Orthodox. Now they are coming for the Catholics in France and I lament the loss of the ancient cathedrals but I am still saying nothing. When they finally come for the Southern Baptists here in America, there will be no one left to say anything.

    John 3:16 is the single point of faith that is required to be a Christian. Everything else is a matter of personal preference. Every religious organization whether it be the Catholics, the Baptist or the Methodist will attract psychopaths who serve the agenda of satan. He uses those individuals to tarnish the light of Christ and desecrate our houses of worship. All branches have had their share of defrocked leaders who have failed themselves and their faith. When the machetes come out, the Muslims and the communists are not going to care if you have been dipped, dunked or sprinkled. They are going to see you as a Christian and they are going to kill you.

    People find that statement offensive, but those that do, have not taken the time to study history. Christians were fighting Muslims in France in 732. Muslims were besieging Vienna in 1529. They are now besieging all of Western Europe. This is a central truth: Apostate Christians and Muslims can live side by side for generations. Then at some point, a religious revival occurs in the Muslim faith. The apostates are silenced and the slaughter begins. The Lebanese Civil War is empirical proof of how this process plays out. Study it and learn from it.

    Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and accept him as your personal savior and you will be saved. That does not mean that you will survive the coming battle. It means that like the thief on the cross you will see Christ in paradise. Understand the blood lines are being drawn in the sand and if you worship Christ you are standing on the Christian side of that line.

    It is time for Christians the world over to heed Christ’s command in Luke 22:36. Christian soldiers are no longer a metaphor for a spiritual battle. They are a required physical presence that must protect the church. The church is not a building. The church is the body of believers. If you stand and gleefully condone the slaughter of the Armenian, Serbian and French Christians because you disagree with their religious icons, traditions or methods of baptism, you are in league with the prince of darkness. If you cannot see our common cause you are blind.

    The Muslims invaded Spain in 711. They controlled Spain for 700 years. It was once again a Christian army that happened to be Catholic that liberated Spain from Muslim control. The resistance formed up under the banner of St. James Matamoros. The soldiers who fought under this banner believed that if they died in battle defending Christianity from the Muslims, upon their death they would be transported to heaven. It is time for Christians to come together under a common banner to defend the faith. This is the Cross that served the coalition that liberated Spain.

    • Bonaventure

      John 3:16 is the single point of faith that is required to be a Christian. Everything else is a matter of personal preference.

      And I quit reading after that. For that is precisely why we are in the predicament we are in. No more of a false statement could be made. And until you, and many others here, get your head around that, there really isn’t much here in fUSA worth saving.

      I have no intention of putting my life on the line for everyone else’s false ideals. I’m not about to give up my life for the sole purpose that you can continue living in error. It doesn’t get any plainer than that.

      • There CA you have your answer unless everyone is as pure as I am and hates or loves something exactly as I do we can’t defend against a common enemy together…Sad That…

      • “get your head around that, there really isn’t much here in fUSA worth saving. ”

        finally.
        you said something that made sense. don’t blow it now like the fool entisuck did.

        that would mean no more posting on this thread.

        • Bonaventure

          Nice try, but you know exactly the context of my response. As would anyone who has been here on WRSA the last few years. Do not finagle it into something it is not.

          • Handjob’s brain is usually soaked with booze/dope/insanity 24/7 so he can’t help but be obtuse.

            His sole purpose in life is sowing disunity, nihilism and get us to kill each other. And to jerk off, lots and lots of jerking off to fill the emptiness of his existence.

      • “John 3:16 is the single point of faith that is required to be a Christian. Everything else is a matter of personal preference.

        And I quit reading after that. For that is precisely why we are in the predicament we are in. No more of a false statement could be made. And until you, and many others here, get your head around that, there really isn’t much here in fUSA worth saving.

        I have no intention of putting my life on the line for everyone else’s false ideals. I’m not about to give up my life for the sole purpose that you can continue living in error. It doesn’t get any plainer than that.”

        Truth well stated!

        “Cooperation among groups with drastically different (erroneous) philosophies/religions is inappropriate, unnecessary, and self-defeating…Catholic theology acknowledges a Principle of Double Effect….”

        “And what concord [pact] hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?…GO OUT FROM AMONG THEM, and be ye SEPARATE, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing: And I will receive you; and I will be a Father to you; and you shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
        2 Corinthians 6:15-18

        The selective blindness of Protestants and Pharisees is astonishing.

    • “John 3:16 is the single point of faith that is required to be a Christian.”

      No, it’s not. And that’s the problem. Religion is the problem. Religion defined as that which a man can or must do to please God or assuage His anger. There is nothing today that anyone can do that can compare to what Christ already did. If a man believes that by his works he is somehow worthy of Gods acceptance, that man is no Christian and therefore not my brother in Christ. He is deceived, causing trouble in the world; and I stand not with him.

      Religion in the mind of man causes him to believe himself to be better than the “other guy” and vise versa. The catholic says to himself “God prefers me (because of what I do) to the stinking muslim.” The muslim says to himself “God prefers me (because of what I do) to the stinking infidel.” satan uses religion (PRIDE – what “I” do) to foment this belief in man to cause man to destroy himself. War ensues, as was planned from early on. Examine “Albert Pike and three world wars”. AP was the “godfather” of freemasonry. This coming religious world war is 100% intentional, 100% satanic.

      http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html

      http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2012/03/albert-pike-and-three-world-wars.html

      Wake up, you’re being used. In reality, both the catholic and the muslim are wrong (all religionists are wrong – protestants, jews, etc.). Each is outside of Gods will for man.

      Rom 3:12… “They are ALL gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is NONE that doeth good, NO, NOT ONE.”

      A man is not saved by believing John 3:16 or by believing that Christ was who He said He was. Believing “in” Jesus if you will. A man is saved today by trusting in the gospel given to Paul; that Christ’s blood was shed as payment for our sin and that He was raised again for our justification. This information is nowhere to be found in John 3:16… Christ had not yet gone to the cross! Look what Jesus says in…

      John 4:22… “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.”

      Salvation in the book of John (Matthew, Mark and Luke too) was of the JEWS. The Bible is a book of progressive revelation. Christ was not speaking to believers today in the red letters, He was speaking to Israel. Peter himself had no idea what God was going to reveal (until Acts 15) to and through the Apostle Paul; the Christians pattern.

      2 Peter 3:15-16… “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

      Salvation by grace alone through faith alone in the shed blood of Christ alone (apart from the nation Israel) was a mystery hid in God until God revealed it through Paul.

      1 Cor 2:7-8… “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”

      Believers today are to follow Paul whom Christ sent to us.

      1 Cor 11:1… “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”

      1 Tim 2:3-4… “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

      It is Christ which justifies us, we do not by ANY of our actions justify ourselves; we get ourselves into trouble. It’s the nature of fallen man. Only He is the Just One AND the Justifier of any man which believes the gospel of the grace of God. I stand with Christians, not religionists.

      https://gracecountrybiblechurch.com/2015/03/25/if-not-christ-then-who-john-316/

      • Grenadier1

        “Examine “Albert Pike and three world wars”. AP was the “godfather” of freemasonry.”

        Except Pike didn’t write “the three world wars”
        Its a hoax that didn’t appear till well after he died. It was promulgated by anti-masonic writers who later admitted to their fraud.
        Pike is not the “godfather” of Masonry either. He is very well respected and for many years his books were given as gifts by Masons to one another, but they are not actually viewed as “masonic bibles” or even required reading.
        Just more anti-masonic misrepresentation.

        • Bonaventure

          Not only was Pike a megalomaniac, he was nothing more than a well-versed Satanic snake-oil salesman. To wit:
          ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          The notorious Albert Pike, who would later formulate American Masonic beliefs after the War, was a Southern General. In this regard, it would be useful to include two very different quotes about Pike. The first is from WPA Guide to Arkansas, describing the Albert Pike Recreational Area, near Norman in that State:

          After Albert Pike (1809 – 1891), explorer, newspaperman, poet, genera and Indian Commissioner for the Confederacy, had led troops from the Five Nations in the Battle of Pea Ridge, he quarreled with his superiors, lashing the Arkansas military leaders in a letter to the Confederate Congress, and resigned his command. His movements thereafter until the close of the war are obscure, but considerable evidence indicates that toward the end of 1862 he retired to this wild and beautiful spot on the Little Missouri. One account describes him as arriving in magnificent style in a buggy drawn by white horses, followed by a wagon loaded with furniture and gold and a procession of two score of slaves. Here he built a house, according to old settlers, and commenced the major work of his life, the writing of [Morals and Dogma,] the philosophy of Freemasonry. His labors were interrupted after several months by a band of guerillas that drove him from his home, destroyed his belongings, and threw his excellent library into the river. At the conclusion of the war he reappeared in Little Rock for a time, moved to Memphis, and eventually completed his Masonic writings in Washington, D.C. (p. 338).

          This is a most baffling passage. Who were these guerrillas who treated the good general so unkindly? Certainly not Union sympathizers, for the War had not yet penetrated that part of Arkansas. This was a description which bothered this writer a great deal. But it often happens in historical research that a chance reading will shed unexpected light on an obscure topic. So it proved this case. While reading a book on American folklore, this illuminating passage appeared:

          The tenacious and secretive witch-lore pervading the Ozarks involves spells and poppets, the initiation of witches through orgiastic rites, and preparation of counter-spells by witch-masters. In his “Unprintable Collections,” Randolph reveals lascivious traditions about the nineteenth-century Arkansas poet, editor, and public figure, Albert Pike, covenanting with the Devil. The virile Pike sat on a throne in the woods, while naked women danced about in wild orgies. The naked women were all witches, a Confederate veteran told Randolph, and some of them were the wives of Pikes’ best friends. (Richard M. Dorson, American Folklore, p. 100).

          (Charles A. Coulombe, Puritan’s Empire, pp. 244-45.)
          ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          Yeah, Pike was as pure as the white driven snow.

          • Grenadier1

            Never said he was pure, just not guilty of the VAST majority of the BS that is spread about him.
            The Guerrillas were more than likely to do with the Knights of the Golden Circle to which Pike was a founding member. Who knows what they were actually after but it was part of their post war planning to hide gold to fund further resistance to the Union government. Could have been they were looking for that given that the KGC funded partisan operations in the western theater. That’s far more likely that salacious accusations of witchcraft.

          • Grenadier1

            Also pay attention to this,
            (Richard M. Dorson, American Folklore, p. 100)

            Go look that book up. Its about American FOLKLORE. Here is the synapsis

            “Tracing the forms and content of American folklore, Mr. Dorson reveals the richness, pathos, and humor of genuine folklore, which he distinguishes from the “fakelore” of popularizers and chauvinists. At the same time, however, he shows what the creation of spurious folklore (the Paul Bunyan legends, for instance) discloses about our national character. Based upon authentic field collections and research, the examples cited include folkways, jests, boasts, tall tales, ballads, folk and legendary heroes.”

            “Spurious Folklore”…..like much of the garbage that gets linked to by some people here. Basically what we now call “Fake news”.

      • “The catholic says to himself “God prefers me (because of what I do) to the stinking muslim.”

        That protestant [sic] says lies.

        A practicing Catholic never says, “God prefers me.”

        A practicing Catholic says, “God commanded these Laws. God stated these Truths. God loves all men and desires the salvation of all. God loves me even though I am a sinner. God commands me to love even my enemies. Protestants, Jews, Muslims, pagans, and the Novus Ordo teach false doctrines.”

        As for your tortured doctrine of justification:

        Documentary: Protestantism’s Big Justification Lie
        The Protestant doctrine of justification is contradicted by Scripture and is also self-contradictory.

      • And yet… Paul is not alone in contradicting your bait and switch.

        Christ opened the Gates of Heaven on Calvary.
        His Passion and Crucifixion were sufficient for the salvation of all men AND, by their belief and behavior, men are free to cooperate or reject the salvation that Jesus alone earned.
        Man cannot save himself by works alone.
        Faith AND works are necessary for Salvation.

        • “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?” James 2:20-21
        • “Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 7:21
        • “…But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” Matthew 19:17
        • “And when he was gone forth into the way, a certain man running up and kneeling before him, asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may receive life everlasting? And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God. Thou knowest the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not kill, do not steal, bear not false witness, do no fraud, honour thy father and mother. But he answering, said to him: Master, all these things I have observed from my youth. And Jesus looking on him, loved him, and said to him: One thing is wanting unto thee: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Mark 10:17-21
        • “And a certain ruler asked him, saying: Good master, what shall I do to possess everlasting life? And Jesus said to him: Why dost thou call me good? None is good but God alone. Thou knowest the commandments: Thou shalt not kill: Thou shalt not commit adultery: Thou shalt not steal: Thou shalt not bear false witness: Honour thy father and mother. Who said: All these things have I kept from my youth. Which when Jesus had heard, he said to him: Yet one thing is wanting to thee: sell all whatever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.” Luke 18:18-22
        • “Amen, amen I say to you: If any man keep my word, he shall not see death for ever.” John 8:51
        • “You are my friends, if you do the things that I command you.” John 15:14
        • “Wonder not at this; for the hour cometh, wherein all that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God. And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment” John 5:28-29
        • “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity.” Galatians 5:6
        • “…and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.” 1 Corinthians 13:2
        • “Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation” Phillipians 2:12
        • “But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.” Matthew 24:13
        • “What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food: And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.” James 2:14-18
        • “…Who will render to every man according to his works.” Romans 2:6
        “For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” Romans 2:13
        • “Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey, whether it be of sin unto death, or of obedience unto justice.” Romans 6:16
        • “Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live.… For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God. And if sons, heirs also; heirs indeed of God, and joint heirs with Christ: yet so, if we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.” Romans 8:12-17
        • “For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee. See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Romans 11:21-22
        • “And being consummated, he became, to all that obey him, the cause of eternal salvation.” Hebrews 5:9
        • “Follow peace with all men, and holiness: without which no man shall see God.” Hebrews 12:14
        • “Take heed to thyself and to doctrine: be earnest in them. For in doing this thou shalt both save thyself and them that hear thee.” 1 Timothy 4:16
        • “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will He render to every man according to his works.” Matthew 16:27
        • “For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.” 2 Corinthians 5:10
        • “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Apocalypse 20:12
        • “There shall not enter into it [Heaven] any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.” Apocalypse 21:27
        • The unrighteous are condemned for failing to do good deeds. Matthew 25:31-46
        • “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if a man be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he shall be compared to a man beholding his own countenance in a glass. For he beheld himself, and went his way, and presently forgot what manner of man he was. But he that hath looked into the perfect law of liberty, and hath continued therein, not becoming a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work; this man shall be blessed in his deed. And if any man think himself to be religious, not bridling his tongue, but deceiving his own heart, this man’ s religion is vain. Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one’s self unspotted from this world.” James 1-22-27
        • “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects, Envies, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:19-21
        • “Little children, let no man deceive you. He that doth justice is just, even as he is just.” 1 John 3:7

        • Romans 10:2 KJB… “For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.”

          • 29 verses quoted above contradict your half-baked justification discourse.

            If you had “knowledge,” you wouldn’t scurry away with a sheepish one-liner; you’d address every one of the 29 verses contradicting you.

            Pastor?

            “Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the pit.”
            Matthew 15:14

            OK, I’ll leave you alone until the next time you lie.

          • Bonaventure

            What’s this “KJB” stuff? And you claim not to be a Protestant?

            BTW, Al just schooled you, and that’s all you can come up with?

            You do know that WRSA is not for kids, right? Does your mommy know you’re online right now playing protestant minister again?

  18. The other, always the other. Fight yesterday’s wars and you’ll get yesterday’s results. Yeah, I know…but losing is so comfortable. Hey, it offers a ton of excuses. The Axiom—“It ain’t me.”

    No wonder individual liberty is so hated across the board. Not too many could survive it any more.

  19. And there’s your answer, Pete….’brother wars’ are more important than an alliance against a common enemy wanting to destroy all of our people.

  20. How about talking with and working with your neighbors on small projects and go from there?

    Get to know your neighbors and discuss things in general. Some people you can’t work with, but some you can. Maybe some people are ok for some things but not for other things.

    Maybe exchange phone numbers and discuss things like under what conditions can someone come on your property, come banging on your door if they need help, have they ever shot a gun and if not (or if not in a long time) would they like to, etc.

    Yes, that is putting yourself out there somewhat, but in my view it is necessary if you live in an urban environment with neighbors relatively close by. (By the way, places that were rural ten or twenty years ago are a lot more urban now with new homes, subdivisions, major stores,and restaurants, new and bigger schools, etc.)

    Might be a good idea to work that stuff out as much as possible before a major emergency and panic situation arises.

    Just a thought on practical application…

  21. Grenadier1

    Though I would more than likely be branded Pagan by some of you.
    I will help Alfred build his kingdom.

    Just call me Uthred.

    • I will you help build Brother even if you believed something 180 out from me but you didn’t want to harm me and mine and our way of life and we were fighting evil(those that do want to harm us)…

      • Uh huh, sure you would. Big gamble there, hoping nobody will read your earlier comment to me.

        Now go ahead—tell your Good Christian Brothers…who was the FIRST commenter on WRSA to take you up on your building a camp? And even mentioned two dollar boards?

        Don’t lie Brother. That would be sad.

        • When you won’t even come out of the shadows why would I want to build anything with you…Just because you offered doesn’t mean you were in anyway sincere…There is still time to find that ounce of courage hiding in you somewhere and come to the DSR…If your a decent guy then I will apologize and we will go from there if not though well then the fun begins…And Klein if you need gas money I will help you out with that…

          • “…If your a decent guy then I will apologize”

            That’s the root error, right there. Take a year and see if you can figure it out.

  22. Old Gray Wolf

    Ain’t gonna be no pact, here. That much is obvious from the comments. Piss on that guy. He is wrong about Jesus. Hell with that one,too, he doesn’t even believe in my god(s). Fine. Stand with yourselves. Alone. I will be rolling with anyone willing to shoot the same direction reliably. Learned a lot some years back when I was in a spot, and the only guy of the group who had my back and showed some sand was a black moslem. Admittedly he weren’t a “good” moslem, he owned a bar and failed to pray. Only black man on the crew, and he rolled with me when all the white boys failed. When a fight is on, the smart man takes his allies as they come. Or he fights alone. What is brewing will not go well for the principled lone fighter. Y’all keep your ideological purity. I am going to work with whoever is going my direction as long as they continue that. They change midstream on me, I will shoot them in the face(or back) as needed. Perhaps I won’t see the other side of this. But I won’t be sitting on my hands because I can’t cooperate with anyone but a clone of myself, or burned to death in my house with nobody giving a damn.

    • But amongst the few we will build great things and defend them with our all Brother…

    • Well said, OGW.
      Supposedly the Bedouin saying goes: Me against my brothers, me and my brothers against our cousin, me and my cousins against the world. Think what you will about Arabs, but that is not a stupid saying.

      What I see here is too many people who ARE brothers (or at least cousins) more eager to tear each other down, than to stand together against the rest of the world.

      Look. I get the thing about “smash the traitors before the enemy” but this doctrinal difference thing is not about having been personally betrayed, nor a matter of someone breaking a sacred oath, so it doesn’t apply, because no one IS a traitor. What the hell good does it do you to win an argument about transubstantiation (or whatever) as you and the man who should have been your brother both get beheaded, or burned alive in a cage?

      • i think you’re wrong.

        it’s a good thing fundamental issues get hashed out now rather than later.

        the commies are just going along with the frenzied mob, they have no clue whatsoever of the horrific outcome of socialism/communism. history shows us the truth and now is the best time to agree on some basic guidelines.

        there’s a middle ground- or there’s not.

        no matter what any of you think of me, i’m a good person and i know it. i don’t steal. rape, cheat, worship the devil, or kill puppies- well, sometimes i do kill puppies… 🙂 what tfA-t types on this forum is his way of exposing the ugly reality of freedom. people are going to believe what they want to believe. people are gonna say offensive things, and some people gonna have hurt feelings. so what?

        no harm. no foul.

        most will respect someones faith as long as they aren’t annoying others to the point of going berserker on them. you will never get full compliance to any religion so don’t even try. it’s counterproductive.

        time to let it go- or not.

        • SemperFi, 0321

          I’m with you, figured you out a long time ago. What I can’t deal with is the religious circle jerks. Insanity x10.
          And what Lineman said, about meeting and being a sincere person, if i was wrong I’ll admit it and apologize, but letting your ego run your crazy ass into trouble is not what I’m about.
          I see myself as a Buddhist Nazi, all into peace and harmony, until it’s time to unleash the Waffen SS on the enemy.

          • lastmanstanding

            Buddhist Nazi…hmm…very interesting (Arte Johnson) lol!

            I’m an earth guy as well brother. Not afraid to answer for my fuck ups.

            Being German, white and all, I got some of that Waffen SS shit stored for unleashment as well.

            Frankly, I’d rather be left alone.

        • Time and Chance Happeneth to Them All.

          Our Furious Fapping Fustilarian softens in the calloused embrace of his own inutility.

          It does not become you.

        • Old Gray Wolf

          The very last thing I care about when sharing in a risky endeavor with another is his doctrinal religious beliefs. What I do care about is his loyalty to me and to our goal. His competence at the skills necessary to achieve that goal. And his ability to keep his mouth shut when it matters. You can be a Buddhist(a Gurkha would be awesome), an atheist, or a Pentecostal, even a Catholic. We can get along, if we concentrate on the task at hand rather than arguing whose beliefs are right. Start letting religion affect the process and putting division among the team, and we have a problem. I seem to remember a verse in the Book talking about sowing discord among the brethren. Some here may want to review that… be a shame to watch the future burn because the Pentecostals and the Catholics were too busy arguing doctrines to fight the fire.

        • i expected more from you Tfat.

          once again i’m left both disappointed and enlightened…

  23. Whatever is bad for me and my people, is my enemy. Simple.

  24. Reading comments here is always amusing. The question of this post, as I read it, is asking if two people of differing beliefs can agree to get along in order to promote a common good. (I’m sure if I’m wrong, you’ll all let me know.)

    Then the usual happens– it’s the Irish-British wars repeating themselves. The Caths and Prods just refuse to recognize the same picture of Christ is the Head of their system.

    In high school, my football team was comprised of Catholics and Lutherans and Jews and pantheists and atheists. You know the strange thing about that? We got along. We got along on the field, in the classroom, on the streets, at each others’ homes. Still do.

    But here? All I see is Pete trying to herd cats. It’s all foolishness and if I was the coach, I’d make a hole in the ice and make you all sit in it until you decide to work together.

    • This site gets, IIRC, anywhere from 6K-10K hits/day.

      Maybe 100 people, all totaled, post, and maybe half that regularly.
      And which number are overrepresented by obnoxious trolls and OCD shitposters, banned from the rest of the web, or otherwise relegated to their never-viewed personal sites.

      Given unhindered access to an open forum, this is exactly what one would expect, had they any experience with people.

      Don’t confuse it for anything but a microcosm of why the internet is not real life.

      The thousands of lurkers here daily skip over or filter out the horseshit, glean the pearls, and then go on about their business – always a useful life skill.

      • or…

        after the pot has simmered for years and years the broth has boiled to the surface some basic ingredients that must be either stirred back in or skimmed from the top.

        religion appears to be that ingredient…

      • Oh, the irony.

        Cue the pontiff’s wrath (for our amusement).

      • Not My Name

        Can you “show your work” that the lurkers “skip over or filter out the horseshit, glean the pearls”?

    • And that’s because you didn’t take your Religion seriously. Football was/is your religion. That might be Ok, but there is no guarantee of uniformity when it comes to important things. And that’s where we are. We don’t know each other. You might say Klein is in cuz he like football. I saw he’s out cuz of other things. But you’d probably be against Muslim football fans, right? Me too!

  25. Berglander

    We’re talking about an Alliance amongst sovereign peoples against a specific, common threat; not an all-encompassing set of rules to be lorded over us by outsiders until the end of time.
    I’m willing.

  26. {{{No more brother wars}}}!

    BTW… Christ, not the {{{Church}}} of various {{{denominations}}}, should be our center.

    Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

    Not a Church. Not a denomination. Not a Pope. Not any Clergy. Not by any man, saint, or icon.

    For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them.

    Not in the name of a Church. Not in the name of a denomination. Not in the name of any Pope or clergy. Not in the name of any man, saint, or icon.

    The “Crusades”, while it may have been a noble cause in the beginning, it ultimately failed because… Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, and Pride. And… infighting, and politics, due to? OMG! Did I just do Pope Gregory I?

    He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

    But wisdom is justified of all her children.

    • no christ should NOT be ‘our’ center.

      freedom should be.

      sheesh

    • …and yet…

      Jesus founded one Church (singular, not plural, in Matthew 16:18), a visible Church to govern (Matthew 16:19 & 18:18), teach (Matthew 28:19-20), and sanctify (Matthew 28:18-19; John 20:23). Divinely and logically consistent with His commissions, Jesus founded one Church, singular, with one central authority (Matthew 16:19 & 18:18), a visible organized society (Mark 4:11), and called for oneness of doctrine (John 17:11, 21-23).

      Jesus did not found an anarchy of churches having mutually exclusive doctrines like the 35,000+ sects of Protestantism in which every dyslexic with an interrupted grammar school education and an expurgated Protestant “Bible” gets to make up his own doctrine and be his own little “pope.”

      Jesus compared His Church to a number of very visible objects: a body, a kingdom, a sheepfold, a net (Matthew 13:47), a city, a field. Jesus Christ, true God and True Man, Messiah, Second Person of the Holy Trinity, God did not compare His Church with a disorganized rabble of conflicting doctrines and morality.

      No, the disparagement of His One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and the anti-biblical promotion of private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20) is based in the Original Sin of Adam and Eve, that men “might be as gods (Genesis 3:5). Emulating Lucifer, many men declare “Non serviam.” They will not serve God, but their own traditions. Remember, that was the key judgment against the Pharisees, that they voided the commandments of God for the man-made traditions of the rabbis (Mark 7:8-9).

      …AND… no clergy, eh?

      “Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood.”1 Timothy 4:14

      “ For which cause I admonish thee, that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee, by the imposition of my hands.” 2 Timothy 1:6

      “And when they had ordained to them priests in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed.” Acts 14:22

      “Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Acts 20:28

      “For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:…” Titus 1:5

      “These they set before the apostles; and they praying, imposed hands upon them.” Acts 6:6

      “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When He had said this, He breathed on them; and He said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.” John 20:21-23

  27. jeffronimo

    I’ve long believed, and poorly articulated, that such a pact between traditional Americans could be made. But, I like this even better. Only thing I’d add immediately is a declaration opposing islam.

    I’ll get around to catching up on the comments later.

    Count me in.

  28. Darrell Cloud

    Anyone who believes that he can stand alone against the coming troubles has never been on watch for 36 hours. We are being relegated into our positions by others that want to exterminate us. You may have a black father and a white mother, but if you look white, the mob that wants to exterminate whites will put a bullet in you.

    Islam is both a political and religious system. It is the perfect faith for brigands and pirates. They can beat the hell out of their women when they choose to and if you are not of the faith they can rape yours when they want to. They can kill you with impunity, enslave you, and take your property, all with the blessings of their god. What is not to like?

    The only historical counter measure that has ever successfully expelled Muslim invaders have been Christian armies.
    The fun part is that you do not even have to pick sides. Your side will be determined by the color of your skin and the simple fact of whether or not you are not affiliated with them.

    You cannot judge Islam or Christianity by the apostates you know. You have to delve into how Christian and Muslim wars developed in history.

    • Judaism is both a political and religious system. It is the perfect faith for brigands and pirates. They can beat the hell out of their women when they choose to…
      “…a man may do whatever he pleases with his wife at intercourse: Meat which comes from the abattoir may be eaten salted, roasted, cooked or seethed; so with fish from the fishmonger…. A woman came before Rab and complained [of her husband’s sodomy with her], Rabbi replied: ‘Wherein does it differ from fish?’” Nedarim 20b, Soncino edition, p.58
      Haredi men beat woman who refused to move to back of bus
      By Jonathan Lis, Haaretz Correspondent
      “disappeared” from Haaretz, but archived at
      http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2007/10/5-haredi-men-be.html

      …and if you are not of the faith they can rape yours when they want to.
      “It is the consensus of many halakhic [rabbinic law] decisors that the yefat to’ar [Gentile female prisoners] can be subject to involuntary intercourse [rape]…” Dov S. Zakheim (US Pentagon Comptroller when $8trillion went missing), “Confronting Evil: Terrorists, Torture, The Military and Halakhah,” published by Yeshivat Chovevei Torah Rabbinical School http://tinyurl.com/zh6wvyq

      They can kill you with impunity, …
      “Kill even the best of Gentiles” http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

      …enslave you,
      “God created them [goyim] in the form of men for the glory of Israel… for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved of this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him.” Midrash Talpioth 225a

      and take your property,
      Baba Mezia 24a

      all with the blessings of their god. What is not to like?

      Get the memo!

      “For every evil of Islam, Judaism has an analog.”

      http://judaism.is/get-the-memo.html

  29. The great goat fuck continues. While the theory of brotherhood is noble, can one truly except another without knowing them. Are we like in mind , to a degree sure. Do we see the same events coming definitely.

    Yet I’ve only FTF with a couple here and corespondent with a few more. To build trust is important. My biggest fear, ” well not really” is the fucking govt trolls here on wrsa. Make no mistake their here.

    Guess who’s winning.

    I seem to think this Cody Event will change a lot of opinions and views. Friendships will bloom. Most importantly perhaps TRUST will develop.

    What continues to impress me on wrsa, is the guys in Montana who continue to build tribe, Who extend a hand here daily to meet, talk, help others looking for a place to get to.

    chocolate cake eater, and hypocrite.

  30. Bonaventure

    TW… Christ, not the {{{Church}}}… Not a Church.

    No Church, huh? More personal revelation of yours I suppose? Funny how you claim to follow Christ, and then directly contradict Him.

    To wit: “Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam meam, et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversus eam.”

    And in English: “Thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matt. 16:18

  31. Thomas a bibleater

    Sadly, many here will side with Cain, when he asked, ” Am I my brother’s keeper?”
    As it says – The love of many will wax cold.

    Don’t let Cain’s tribe define “The Good Fight”

  32. A ridiculous Fantasy. “Christians” in the U.S. and Europe have been Brainwashed for Generations that the support of Zionism and the (false) jew Wars against ‘islam’ are Essential Acts of Faith for ‘christians’. Until White People Wake Up and SEE that it is the communist/bolshevik/zionist ashkenazi “jew” Control of Money and Politics that is creating the Invasions of Europe and the U.S. by third-world scum, WE are going to keep Fighting the Wrong Enemy. Yes, the muslims hate christians and want to Convert or Kill them. None of them would be there if it were not for the (((bolshevik))) control of governments in Europe.

    Anyone who wants to Know all about the REAL Problem just needs to look up “Barbara Lerner Spectre” and listen to what this kike says.

    REAL Europeans, like the Generations of Elders in My Family, KNEW exactly Who and What the Enemy of White Christian Civilization are. Unfortunately, most of them were Fooled into Fighting each other, instead of Fighting the (((other))) as a few brave White Men tried to.

    • Yes, my Brother must know the above or else all is for naught and we are just dogs of war, not Men. A dog fight for who feeds him. A Man wants to know why he is fighting and for what.

  33. A.B Prosper

    I’m in.

    Now lets us shine alight on the foe.

    • fine

      it’s the global financial banking cabal led by jewish psychopaths and enabled by their shabbos goyim servants, who have enslaved most of humanity through coercion, war, debt, drugs, sex, and lies.

      there’s too many perpetrators to name.

      now what?

  34. The worldwide Semitic attack is not on Christianity. It’s on WHITE PEOPLE.

    You need to fully understand and embrace this fact.

    Now what do we do?

    • Yes. That’s the unifying principle: Survival. All other questions, moral and theological, come after that. They are for the Living. As Thomas Jefferson said, Survival is the First Morality. The other questions matter and we may not be able to all live together afterwards. But just as our Enemies have united against us despite their mutual antipathy, perhaps we can do the same.

  35. It’s not a problem.

    This is a place to toss ideas around, not a tactical coordination center. To the extent that people who read this do end up coordinating tactics, it will depend on specific person-to-person interactions, not the general online audience reaction.

  36. Oregon Hobo

    Welp, at risk to persec and all, I’ll put this out.

    I’ve got a Jewish grandparent.
    I’m agnostic, but one thing I’m sure of is that I don’t buy the original sin crap that either side is peddling, be it bad fruit or white guilt.
    I have shared a home with the mother of my children for well over a decade now, but we have sought neither permission nor approval from bureaucrat nor priest. My love for her is not dependent upon nor enriched by any of those things. My commitment is to her and our children, not some govt parasite or sanctimonious child rapist.

    Based on these three things alone, I often ponder my family’s odds of being targeted by team blue vs team red. Better than 50/50? Hard to say, even now. As the anger ramps up?

    I once held out great hopes for a post-conflagration nation in which team SJW lost and we could finally go about living our lives and raising our families. This delusion has faded in the face of all the rhetoric about purging those who aren’t white enough, who aren’t alt-right enough, aren’t the-right-kind-of-Christian enough. I can get all this same bullshit in slightly different flavors right here and now from Clown World without having to go through any damn civil war to get it.

    The behavior I see on display here from Al Liguori and friends, for example, is uncannily reminiscent to the arrogant self-righteousness and inexplicable self-assurance of the low-information parental units whom I watched in my youth piously handing their children over to be ass-raped by their holy globalist pedophile ring of choice. As I’ve aged I’ve tried to be more patient and humble in dealing with such people, tried to see the good in them, but watching Al opine as to a non-Catholic’s inability to be a morally good person really is a parallel Clown World unto itself.

    HONK!

    • I welcome honest criticism. Calumnies, not so much.

      Even a pagan can obey the natural law of morality.

      The question asked was whether unity and pacts are appropriate among drastically different religions/philosophies.

      God’s Word says, “No.” 2 Cor. 6:15-18

      I am therefore in the very best company when I say, “No.”

      That you cannot (or choose not to) accurately parse a post, cannot (or choose not to) see a difference between morality and alliance, cannot (or choose not to) notice that Catholics are fighting the pederasts in and out of the Church, cannot (or choose not to) see the irony of using “Cpt. Martin” for your example when Cpt. Martin rejected bloodshed except as a last resort, and the myriad other things that you cannot (or choose not to) do, only underscores the caution apropos making pacts.


  37. The difference between Pure Religion and Public religion is most often marked by the difference between voluntary acts of charity and forced compliance or contributions by authorities. This difference was at the core of the Christian conflict with Rome which had been in a process of decline for more than 200 years.
    Do Modern Christians practice Pure Religion or do they practice Public religion? What side of the Christian conflict with Rome would the Modern Christians take?
    In its entirety here:
    http://preparingyou.com/wiki/Religion

  38. St.Maur1066

  39. Christians of different sects are not brothers or cousins in a religious fictive kinship. Sects are merely political parties, and the leaders want to rule unopposed. That’s why Christian sects won’t federalize and broadly cooperate in their areas of agreement. Religious leaders want to plug up stress-relief outlets like intoxicants or non-procreative sex, then drain off the accumulated stress on their own projects, like the crusades. War is the health of the state. Libertarians make more accurate political predictions than trads because their theory is better. Trads want to keep believing ‘this time the socialism will be different’. Socialism still doesn’t work, no matter if the right priest is in charge.