Just Imagine What The Red/Green/Pink Alliance Will Say About These Times

David Irving: Historian, Hater, or Victim?

And while you’re at it, imagine also what the instructing ‘bots will teach your grandchildren’s kids.

32 responses to “Just Imagine What The Red/Green/Pink Alliance Will Say About These Times

  1. NorthGunner

    Since it’s a very common thing for communists as well
    as those who are genuinely ignorant of language and
    it’s usage to hurl verbiage as a weapon, let’s examine
    the word, revisionist first by looking at it’s root.

    revision
    noun
    re·​vi·​sion | \ ri-ˈvi-zhən

    Definition of revision
    1a : an act of revising
    b : a result of revising : alteration
    : a change or a set of changes that corrects or improves something
    : a new version of something : something (such as a piece of writing or a song) that has been corrected or changed
    : study of information that was studied before

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revision

    So, it is the act of ‘correcting or improving’ something.
    Since that’s the case, what was involved before was
    either NOT correct nor accurate or truthful and needed
    to be improved or corrected to be accurate or truthful.

    In the light of such logic, when someone refers to David
    Irving or other historians as ‘holocaust revisionists’ what
    is really meant, if one is being both logically consistent and
    intellectually and well as personally honest, is that such individuals
    have made a study of the events having to do with the relationship
    between the jews and the larger German culture and National
    Socialist Nation State both before, during and after ‘The Bad War’
    (at which point the National Socialist government of Germany no
    longer existed) to determine the truth about claims by jews of alleged
    crimes carried out against them by the National Socialist German government and specific individuals attached to it.

    Chief among these is the allegation that Adolf Hiter and the
    National Socialist German government sought to systematically
    exterminate not only all the jews in Germany but any others that
    they happened to come across. This accusation is patently
    false as no evidence or documentation of a ‘Final Solution’ that
    involved a systematic detailed mass execution of jews has ever
    been found let alone presented in any manner. What was proven
    is that there were plans and agreements between BOTH the
    National Socialist government and German based zionist authorities
    for the peaceful and orderly transfer of German jews AND their
    property to what was called Palestine in that period. This was known
    as ‘The Havaara Agreement’. At the same time there were serious
    plans to help jews relocate to the island of Madagascar, which was
    at that time under Vichy control.

    The Havaara Agreement
    http://themillenniumreport.com/2018/06/the-haavara-agreement-why-was-an-agreement-signed-between-nazi-germany-and-zionist-german-jews-on-25-august-1933/

    Encyclopedia Judaica: Haavara
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/haavara

    The Madagascar Plan
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-madagascar-plan-2

    Final Solution: The Madagascar Resettlement Plan
    https://barnesreview.org/product/final-solution-germanys-madagascar-resettlement-plan/

    So, expluslon and deportation – yes.
    Methodical and systematic extermination – no.

    For their efforts, truth tellers such as David Irving and others
    have been both attacked professionally and financially and \
    often personally in a physical manner.

    Here’s a video from Brother Nathanael to lay it all out:
    The ‘Holocaust Denial’ Debate ( Brother Nathanael )

    and here’s an online copy (pdf) that can be either read
    online or saved and printed or read offline of Norman Finkelstein’s
    “The Holocaust Industry”

    http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres4/NFHolindustry.pdf

    Hope that this helps to clear the fog of historical deceit
    where this is concerned.

    NorthGunner – The Truth Is It’s OWN Defense!

    • Berglander

      It‘s amazing what you learn when you akshully dig into that time period and understand the chronology of what went down. For example, (((they))) talk about the Luftwaffe bombing English cities, which they did-they fail to mention tho that the RAF began bombing German cities six weeks prior to the first German raids on English cities. But heck, I‘m just an echo chamber here. Those of us who know, know. Those who don‘t aren‘t interested in challenging the (((narrative.)))

      • Wrong – trying reading some history books instead of burning them. Apologists for the Axis powers have tried for years to pin the blame on the Allied powers for the bombing of civilians and other atrocities committed from the air. That particular Pandora’s Box was opened first by the Axis Powers during the interwar years.

        The Italians used chemical munitions in the Second Italo-Ethiopian War of 1935-1937; dropped by the Regia Aeronautica (Italian Air Force) or delivered by ground-based artillery. The atrocities were sanctioned by Benito Mussolini, the dictator and head of the fascist Italian state. The Italians also carried out indiscriminate aerial bombings of civilians using conventional munitions.

        The German “Condor Legion,” which fought in the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) allied with the forces of eventual victor, fascist dictator Francisco Franco, attained international infamy because of the terror bombing of Guernica, an event later memorialized by Pablo Picasso in a painting entitled with the same name as that fateful city.

        The forces of Imperial Japan saturation-bombed Chinese cities such as Nanking and Shanghai during the Second Sino-Japanese conflict of 1937-1945, killing scores of civilians using incendiaries and high explosive bombs. As well as being attacked by high-level medium bombers, Chinese civilians were subjected to low-level strafing runs by Japanese army and naval aircraft.

        Just to make sure the world got the metaphorical message that they were serious about killing their enemies, civilian and military alike, the Luftwaffe was ordered to fire-bomb the Dutch city of Rotterdam during the German invasion of the Low Countries in May 1940. That incident happened after the German invasion of Poland kicked off the war in the West on 1 September 1939.

        While it is true that the Allied powers engaged in massed strategic bombing raids against targets in Germany, Italy and Japan – including attacks upon major population centers such as cities – the Axis Powers could not claim the moral high ground in any way, shape or form. Having sown the wind, they reaped the whirlwind.

    • NG,
      it is also amusing when The Synagogue of Satan insists The Protocols are a “forgery.”

      forgery | ˈfôrjərē |
      noun (plural forgeries)
      a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art.

      OK, The Protocols are a copy of the original.

      • NorthGunner

        Al
        Does it matter if the protocols are a forgery
        or not when over 95% of the stated goals
        listed within it have been systemically achieved
        and are firmly in place? And those behind
        their achievement just happen to be….jewish.

        Just like 99% of the planks of the communist
        manifesto HAVE been implemented in the
        fussa..and the fudd’s and noobs still belive…..MAGA!

        That alone speaks volumes to me.

        NorthGunner – The Truth Is It’s OWN Defense!

  2. Irving’s biographical studies of Hitler/Churchill and other WW2 leaders are first-rate. And his treatment by the (((practitioners))) of Holocaustianity about what one would expect of a Jew-infested academia, Jew-owned political class, and Jew-run legal system. That said,

    Irving throughout his works has a self-aggrandizing tendency to leap to vast conclusions on the basis of flimsy evidence or spectacularly stupid misinterpretation. It’s this sort of thing that opened the door to (((Debra Lipstadt))) and Co. For instance, in his book on PQ-17 (a July 1942 Iceland-to-Murmansk convoy which, brutally mishandled by Churchill’s crony, First Sea Lord Dudley Pound) was deprived of its escorts, scattered, and then 2/3 annihilated by German air and submarine attacks. Irving accused the on-scene C/O of the destroyers, Jack Broome, of actual cowardice in abandoning the convoy…when he was simply obeying Admiralty orders to do so. That one cost Irving a 50,000 pound settlement.

    for another instance, Irving got his rep as a “holocaust denier” mostly by his (mis)-reading of a single document: a c. September 1941 telegram from Hitler and Himmler to Heydrich @ one of the Baltic sites (Riga, I think) where the first of a series of transports of Jews deported from the Reich were about to arrive, a telegram that ordered “no liquidation”…and thus (according to Irving) “no holocaust”. My own, perhaps less agend’d reading of the telegram would be: masses of Baltic Jews had already been and were being shot by Einsatzgruppe A, as per hundreds of other documents, photos, and first-hand accounts, but HItler/Himmler, considering the Reich Jews a somewhat higher form of life than the locals, wanted these Jews kept alive for awhile. In the event, Heydrich, an extremely powerful man with his own agenda, had these deportees killed…but was later reined in, with subsequent Reich transports being ghettoized and used as forced labor. Point is, the clever David Irving wanted to – and did – make a publicity-generating splash with his “holocaust denial”, but finally got hoist with his own sword.

    best: stick to the facts, whatever your agenda, and don’t over-interpret.

    • Irving is a crackpot. No legitimate scholar of the Second World War takes him seriously. Even if he didn’t deny the existence of one of the most-studied, proven and historically-documented events in human history in the Holocaust, the guy is a looney tune for other reasons. Worst of all, his grasp of history as a discipline is laughably poor and doesn’t rise beyond that of a mixed-up school-boy obsessed with far-out conspiracies.

      If it is germane, I have been a historian of the Second World War for fifty years – a full half-century – and possess an advanced degree in the subject, have been published, and have taught and given numerous seminars on the subject. I have both the background and the credentials to properly evaluate someone like Irving.

      It does this website no favors by posting anything having to do with this charlatan, nor the movement for saving/restoring the U.S. and/or traditional western civilization.

      Oh, one other thing: My mother spent five long years behind enemy lines in Nazi-occupied Europe. People she knew, including one of her secondary-school instructors, were sent to the camps and never returned. She and her family participated in the underground resistance movement which successfully smuggled many Jews and other fugitives on the run from the SS-Gestapo out of the country and to neutral nations such as Sweden.

      Regular Wehrmacht troops came to garrison her small town, and one night some of them got drunk and shot-up her family’s rural house and farm. No one was hurt, but my terrified mother – who was only a teenager – was the only one who spoke German in the family, so she had to go outside and (politely) ask them to leave.

      Another family friend, a quite elderly gentleman who died a few years ago, actually fought with the partisans against the German army in the closing days of the war as British-Commonwealth troops approached. He survived, but had the misfortune during battle to see one of his best friends killed at close range by an exploding 20mm cannon shell.

      These friends, too, had seen relatives, friends and associates sent to camps from which some returned, but others did not.

      • Can you give specifics why Irving should not be read? Your first graf was ad hominem.

      • Well, no, Irving is most assuredly not a crackpot. Like Pirrenne, who explained the truth about the Muslim conquests during the early middle ages, Irving explains how the Holocaust is a massive hoax.

        Additionally, the Holocaust not only didn’t happen, those who claim it did are claiming something that is scientifically impossible.

        I do expect international Jewry to continue to milk the hoax for years to come because of dupes that believe it true.

        http://www.holohoax101.org/

    • St.Maur1066

      I met David Irving,and had a book signed by him.

  3. Bonaventure

    Good news.

    Today, a friend of my father, and a quasi-mentor to me (and a Boomer), after I suggested to him to read something that wasn’t the anti-Catholic agitprop the Judeo-Protestants in this country have been foisting upon us since the inception thereof, and who is generally a Leftist and a lapsed Catholic, actually acknowledged that *maybe* what has been taught us (by the Judeo-Protestants) may not be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    A foot in the door has been achieved.

    Life is good.

    Ave Maria.

  4. Rainman...

    Of course the Holocaust occurred, the only argument is the size and scope. Even if he was a denier, he was no threat to anyone. He gathered no large threatening crowds. He was just a bookish nerd who challenged the scope of the horror. It is Nazi-like to put him, or some 80 yo lady in jail for spouting nonsense. But you can now go to jail for misgendering some confused, mean, liberal.
    But in America the patriots still own the firepower. Don’t move from your power base.
    Rainman…

    • It seems to me, that is the story. Why are people so upset over a minor variation in interpretation? I just watched the full two hours. First youtube has their disclaimer saying this is “offensive” to some, and makes you click that you understand before viewing. All the guy said was that the numbers weren’t as big and that the bulk of it wasn’t at Auschwitz. So what? Georgiaboy is beside himself and probably hyperventilating. He doth protest too much. me thinks. Its things like this that make me question all other things.

  5. Holocaust Denial, really?? No reputable historian takes David Irving seriously – he is a crackpot from top-to-bottom, one whose so-called “scholarship” reads like neo-Nazi propaganda. Irving and his kind have no actual evidence to substantiate the claims they have made, so they invent things out of whole cloth, while at the same time shouting down anyone who presents the facts of what actually happened.

    It does the movement to restore traditional America no favors whatsoever to post such nonsense. In fact, it is precisely the sort of thing agents provocateurs, left to their own devices, would post to discredit WRSA and websites like it.

    The way that game works is that when the deep-state identifies a “dangerous” website publishing “forbidden” content, they instruct their people to flood the website with reader comments which can be construed as racist, xenophobic, anti-Semitic, and so forth. Even if the people actually running the site are none of those things, the opposition can now report to other with a straight face that such-and-such website and its proprietors are guilty of being “haters,” bigots, etc. As this very website has noted, for a very long time, vile organizations like the SPLC have made a disreputable and dishonest living using those very tactics.

    Blaming the Jews for everything wrong in the world – i.e., (((( )))) as the usual suspects like to signify, is also precisely the kind of thing agents provocateurs would post to discredit a website like this one. Same basic template as above, just a slightly different twist on the recipe.

    Let’s suppose for a moment that it isn’t Soros and the fed.gov deep-state engaged in these shenanigans, but someone else instead. Who would have the means and the motive? Answer: the major Islamic nations on earth, in particular those hostile to the West, and/or engaged in sub-rosa activities against it, such as Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the Sudan, etc. – as well as the other members of the 57-member OIC.

    Why go to the trouble to wage war against the Jews online? Answer: As a counter to the increasingly scrutiny of and hostility against the Islamic world for its ceaseless jihad against the non-Muslim world. It’s a fancy little two-step being used: Blame the Jew for everything being done by Muslims to the West, thereby shifting blame from yourself to an ancient enemy. Frame him; remove suspicion from yourself.

    So, what’s next – praise for the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”? Autographed copies of “Mein Kampf” in English, Arabic and Farsi?

    We can stipulate that there are specific Jews (just as there are specific members of other racial/ethnic and sectarian groups) who hate the U.S. and hate traditional western civilization, but condemning an entire people for the sins of a few is not only morally wrong, but intellectually lazy and shortsighted in terms of the cause of traditional western civilization.

    Matt Bracken is entirely correct that such individuals who push that vile and ridiculous line of thought ought to be shunned as the morally-retarded idiots and fools that they are.

  6. The GRAND MUFTI made Hitler do this:


    http://judaism.is/holocaust.html#collusion

    and this:

    Many online sources “disappeared,” a few remain:

    and all this too:

    American Pravda: Jews and Nazis
    by Ron Unz, August 6, 2018
    “In 1934, Zionist leaders invited an important SS official to spend six months in Palestine. His very favorable impressions of the Zionist enterprise were published as a massive 12-part-series in Goebbel’s Der Angriff, bearing the title ‘A Nazi Goes to Palestine.’”
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/

    Video: The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler
    by Jim Condit, Jr., repeatedly “disappeared” by YouTube—if missing, search videos for the title

    Among the many important bits of hidden history revealed in this two hour and twenty minute documentary:

    • During World War II as many as 150,000 Jews or “partial-Jews” (Mischlinge), served in the German armed forces, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals. Among them were Field Marshal Erhard Milch and Helmut Wilberg, one of the fathers of the blitzkrieg method of warfare that helped Hitler conquer most of Europe. (For an example of the solidly-researched documentation you’ll find on the DVD, click here for a piece of information from the book, Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers by Bryan Mark Rigg.)
    • IBM lands in Germany in March, 1933, the very month Hitler comes to power. IBM uses its punchcard system and begins to identify and catalogue the everyday Jews in Germany for eventual roundup. Even though IBM is headquartered in New York City and IBM President Thomas Watson receives many public awards from the Hitler government, the New York Times pretends to hardly notice, and never objects.
    • Books which document that Hitler was helped to power by prominent Jewish owned companies and many Wall Street firms.
    • The little known Rakovsky interrogation is highlighted. Both Hitler and his arch-rival for European hegemony, Communist dictator Joseph Stalin, contended with, but were also funded and manipulated by, the same secret forces in international banking circles.
    • Jewish police help round up everyday Jews, and hand them over to the Nazis so they can be confined in concentration camps. This DVD identifies the book which exposes this aspect of pre-World War II Germany, and explains the reason why.
    • Incredibly, despite the Nazi ideology, which publicly held the Germanic people as the superior race and the Jews as the enemy of all things German, there is formidable evidence indicating that Hitler and other high-ranking Nazi leaders themselves had some Jewish ancestry.
    • Who was William Patrick Hitler, and why did the Fuhrer, Adolf Hitler, pay him off to quit talking about the family background?
    • Adolf Eichmann spoke Yiddish and visited the Zionists in Palestine many times. Eichmann, with Hitler’s approval, set up training camps in German occupied territory where the Irgun, or Israeli storm troopers, were trained in anticipation of the takeover of Palestine, which happened in 1948, three years after World War II. (By the way, why was Eichmann kept in a sound proof cage during his 1961 trial in Israel? This DVD explains.)
    • Hitler’s close associate, Rudoph Hess, flew to England for some reason in 1942. This DVD explains why. As Hess landed, he was arrested by Churchill’s faction. After World War II, Hess was kept in Spandau Prison, capacity 300 men, as its only prisoner from 1945 to 1989. During this 44 year period, soldiers from four countries (Russia, USA, England, and France) marched around Spandau Prison, each nation on duty one week of each month. During those 44 years, Hess was never allowed to visit with even his immediate family members unless a government witness was present. Why? This DVD explains why.
    • Some leading Zionists in Europe and America, such as Rabbi Stephen Wise, had the opportunity to negotiate the release of many Jews from the Nazi concentration camps near the end of World War II, but refused to do so. (See the 1961 book Perfidy by Ben Hecht for an eloquent introduction to this mind-boggling aspect of World War II. Hecht was a Jewish Hollywood producer and screen writer. He worked closely with David O. Selznick on “Gone with the Wind.”)
    • Commentary on excerpts from the little known pamphlet which appeared in 1940: Hitler’s Policy is a Jewish Policy.
    • The “unexplainable” chapter in Hitler’s life—when he worked for the Communists during their brief occupation of Munich in 1919—explained.
    • What Hitler’s own lawyer testified about Hitler’s ancestry in his “death-bed” pamphlet at Nuremburg entitled, In the Face of the Gallows.
    • And much, much more — 140 minutes in all.

    and the GRAND MUFTI also made the rabbis say these things:

    Even today the rabbis speak approvingly of Hitler’s work as divine retribution. Revealingly the rabbis have been saying approving things about Hitler and his “holocaust” for half a century, Chabad Lubavitch Grand Rabbi (and erstwhile “Messiah”) Schneerson among them.
    Yehuda Bauer, “God as surgeon.” Haaretz, June 1, 2007.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/865718.html (requires registration)

    Rabbi Elizer Schach, founder of the Israeli Shas Party: “Does anyone here think that before the holocaust, which exacted such a terrible price and left no family untouched all the Jews of Europe were righteous, God-fearing folk? There was a drift away from our faith and way of life. What happened was divine retribution for the accumulated weight of years of drifting away from Judaism.”
    Mordecai Richter, National Post (Canada), August 26, 2000.

    Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef stated that those who died in the Nazi persecutions were “reincarnated sinners” who got what they deserved, that Hitler “was simply the messenger of God sent to give the Jewish people their just desserts.”
    Jack Katzenell, “Rabbi Says Holocaust Victims Were Reincarnations of Sinners.” The Independent (UK), August 6, 2000. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/rabbi-says-holocaust-victims-were-reincarnations-of-sinners-711547.html

    “Let’s just start with whether Hitler was right or not…He was the most correct person there ever was, and was correct in every word he said… he was just on the wrong side.”
    Rabbi Giora Redler
    Bnei David Yeshiva, Israel
    in
    Embracing racism, rabbis at pre-army yeshiva laud Hitler, urge enslaving Arabs, April 30, 2019,
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/embracing-racism-rabbis-at-pre-army-yeshiva-laud-hitler-urge-enslaving-arabs/

    • Berglander

      I‘m grateful that you have the energy and will to post these things, Al.

  7. Appears Irving’s books can be downloaded here; http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/