Nearly 500,000 Went to Hospital in 2018-19 Flu Season But Today There Are Not Enough Hospital Beds for Coronavirus Patients?

How can that be?

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75 responses to “Nearly 500,000 Went to Hospital in 2018-19 Flu Season But Today There Are Not Enough Hospital Beds for Coronavirus Patients?

  1. New York demands 40,000 respirators immediately. Are there enough nurses to care for patients on those machines? How many patients and respirators can one nurse manage at the same time? Anybody know? I haven’t seen this discussed yet. Unless I just missed it.

    • As a rule, nurses don’t manage respirators. RTs do. They can usually manage about 4@. So unless someone can squat and shit out 10,000 RTs that don’t exist, overnight, you have 40,000 machines, and no operators.
      It takes 2 years of school to make an RT. Another year after that for them to get good at it.

      As for vented patients, 1 nurse can handle 2 of them, max.
      So you’ll also be short 20,000 critical care RNs. They make about $100K/yr, and it takes 5-6 years to make one from scratch.

      There are 5,369 planes in the USAF (as of 2017).

      So imagine them with that, and zero pilots, and you’ve grasped the situation in a nutshell.

      • @Aesop

        Be interesting to see if they just discard the rules and say that a Respiratory Therapist can oversee however many respirators he or she needs to.

        I thought about what you mentioned earlier about trained RTs when I saw them mentioning Trump invoking the Defense Production Act to have General Motors build respirators. Who is going to operate them?
        It’s not like building WW2 tanks and drafting and training soldiers to fight in them. Or maybe the people up at the top think it is.

        By the way, care to give your response to the question asked by the headline?
        THE NUMBERS JUST DON’T ADD UP: Nearly 500,000 Went to Hospital in 2018-19 Flu Season But Today There Are Not Enough Hospital Beds for Coronavirus Patients?

        • Scroll lower, Wendy. I already did.

          • And “throwing out the rules” means you stretch the RTs too thin, and people simply start to die.
            The numbers aren’t arbitrary, they’re there to keep that from happening.

            But then anecdotally, for ER doc in Nawlins who’s currently getting his ass kicked by Kung Flu patients, 70-86% of vent patients with this die anyways. After 11-21 days.

          • Thank you.
            I’ve learned a lot from you.
            Some of us really appreciate your input and information on this medical stuff.

            I mentioned to some people (who were talking about Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and President Trump sparring who were saying we need to have Trump get off his ass and get all the people possible working on making Ventilators.
            I said the machine is complicated because it hooks up to a fragile human body, not a big motor or pump and unlike industrial equipment has to be clean and sterile.
            It’s not that big a jump to go from bigger jump to go from making cars and trucks to military vehicles and tanks. But to make medical equipment you’ll have to go to the places where the electronic control modules are made, not where the cars and trucks are made. And I think a lot of that has been outsourced. Chrysler sold off it’s Huntsville AL electronics division back around 15 years ago because they couldn’t compete if I recall correctly.

            Chrysler Huntsville Electronics
            https://www.allpar.com/corporate/factories/huntsville-automotive.html

            CEO of ventilator maker speaks out as Trump invokes Defense Production Act
            https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ceo-ventilator-maker-speaks-out-trump-invokes-defense-production-act-n1170881

            Also mentioned to them that on top getting any number of ventilators, that it takes 2 years to train a Respiratory Therapist (https://www.aarc.org/careers/what-is-an-rt/) and you need one RT for every 4 ventilators so who is going to run these things?

            The answers I got tell me that more or less most (non-medical) people think the machine does all the work. Set it up and forget it. Sort of like an engine dynamometer test stand.

            People are experts about what they (think) they know. But lots of people seem to suffer from what I call it a case of “Only I can do my job, but anyone can do your job.”

      • Berglander

        Thanks for this explanation. It’s good to see a sober, rational analysis of the situation from you.

        • Berglander,

          They’ve all been sober and rational.
          I’ve been the guy in the crow’s nest trying to tell the people on deck what’s coming. It’s just now getting to where they can see it for themselves.

      • Aesop, thank you for the answer.

      • Wait a minute, Tfat said HE has the skills to teach monkeys to run the ventilators! In a day, with two dozen banana’s. Surely talent on loan from God himself.

        My plan is to just use my cpap machine. You,can thank me later for that ” hot tip”.

        Dirt

  2. Yep. Hoax.

  3. This is a stupid and disingenuous question.

    They know on average how many flu cases they get. They plan for that. They didn’t plan for covid. Thus, sudden shortage. The bigger the covid spike, the more stress on the system.

    Any goddamned idiot should be able to figure this out.

  4. “Corona is a black light and America
    is a cum-stained hotel room”.
    ………. Zero Hedge

  5. Interesting developments regarding THE FED and Kennedy Center since the “voice” vote.
    Next weeks gonna be lit.
    Godpseed

    • More please.

      Not tracking yet.

      • see mine on the previous thread, via ZH: the (((Rothschild))) Third National Bank, alias “Federal Reserve”, which in any case has not had a full independent audit in decades, has now been freed from ALL external scrutiny. It’s in the 2T porkulus bill.

          • I could be wrong but Trump is now chairman. Trump has control of $2T.
            New appointees to board of Kennedy center = Huckabee and Jon Voight. ValJar and Susan Rice were appointed by Hussein.
            New Bob Dylan (swan song) dropped last night…
            About Kennedy.
            What are the odds?
            Hell if I know but I still think next weeks gonna be lit.
            Godspeed

          • I shoulda put up the link, since the article will fall off the visible crawler in a few hours:

            https://zerohedge.com/economics/if-getting-us-6-trillion-more-debt-doesnt-matter-then-why-not-350-trillion

          • Thought I replied last night but…
            Could be wrong but Trump just became fed “chair” and is in control of the $2T.
            Kennedy center, etc… were money laundromats.
            Hussein appointed ValJar and Susan Rice to Kennedy center board. Trump just appointed Huckabee and Jon Voight(???)
            Bob Dylan dropped a (Swan song) Thursday night about Kennedy Assassination. Some strange coincidences.
            Hearing rumors of EBS going live on 4/1. April Fools…
            Hope is not a plan but next week will tell.
            Godspeed.

            • you and VoXDay: “Donald Andrew Jackson Trump”

              has just “taken over the (((Fed)))”! Actually,

              it’s the other way around. The (((Rothschild))) Third National Bank

              has taken over the Treasury, (((Wall Street))), and

              liquidated white Main Street.

              • Wrong target.
                “May be wrong” is an admission of humility.
                It was also the first line of my post.
                As an applications engineer, I do precision guesswork, based upon unreliable data from people of questionable knowledge. Show your math and the official document with SIGNATORIES.
                I haven’t read any Vox in quite awhile, but now that you mention it, think I’ll take a gander.
                Godspeed.

  6. Shinmen Takezo

    The truth is going to come forward in the months to ensue. This whole crisis is intentionally being overblown with the direct intent of laying blame on the administration for anything these communist retards can cook up.

    The numbers in NYC are being cooked up and exaggerated. The dangers are being exaggerated. The death tolls are being inflated.

    Yet–conservatives here are buying into much of this propaganda.

    This is a hoax. Wake up and smell the coffee.

    • wake up and smell the foetor Judaica. It’s

      wafting all over this…(((thing))).

    • SemperFi, 0321

      They’re all in on it, both D’s and R’s. Look at the insider trading, the CEO’s that stepped down in the last 2 months so they wouldn’t be caught holding the bag when their corporations went under. Trump can’t wait to sign off the bankster bonus and calls the one true patriot senator a loser for blocking this immense wealth distribution.
      Rotten from the top down. And out of all that money, every American should get $17k, not 1k. The rest is trickling into crony pockets.

      • Come on man, of course both sides, are in on it!. Wouldn’t work otherwise.

        Quietus, call me!. I tried to get back to you this morning. Was deep in the canyons when we last spoke. Heard every third word.

        Dirt

        • SemperFi, 0321

          If everyone knows that, then why are half the posters here still acting like this is all a Democrat plot? All I hear and see is the blame game going on, it’s all the Democrat’s fault! I completely ignore those brainwashed fools. Until you can admit the corruption is bone deep on BOTH sides, you aren’t even half awake yet.

        • go figure ewe 2 are but buddies

          copz SUCK

          tic toc boyz 🙂

          payback is gonna be a real beoitch for ya’lls

    • In a month we’ll see the tide went out and nobody’s wearing trunks.

      Or it’ll be in and and everybody is grabbing for flotation devices.

      Magic 8-Ball says “Unclear”…

      • DWEEZIL THE WEASEL

        If the MSM does not report on it, it did not happen. We all have been waiting for the other shoe to drop on numerous scandals and other felonies since the Mango Emperor was sworn in. I was in the 11th grade when JFK was murdered in broad daylight in front of hundreds of people on a street in Dallas. I’m still waiting for that “Cold Case” to be solved.

        • SemperFi, 0321

          There is no doubt in my mind JFK’s murder is connected to his Catholic and Nazi connected past, his father was a Hitler supporter in the late 30’s and he even dated a German spy while working at the Pentagram before they shitcanned him to the Pacific.
          After the war while working as a reporter in Europe he stated Hitler was a man of legend, something the Zionist bankers never forgot. Then he made his famous secret societies speech and BANG! They were afraid he would expose them as the vermin they are.

        • SemperFi, 0321

          A man who said this was now President of the USA, and definitely not a friend of the Zionists. They knew what they had to do.

          • sounds like JFK had a vision of the future

            Behold!

            a King emerged from the smoke and ashes

            and tfA-t was his name

  7. Gateway Pundit has been a fucktard on this right along.
    500,000 flu visits in 2018-2019? Big Fucking Deal. Not.
    And “went to hospital” does not equal “got admitted to a bed”.
    2019 ER stats, nationwide:
    •Number of ER visits: 139.0 million
    •Number of injury-related visits: 40.0 million
    •Number of emergency department visits resulting in hospital admission: 14.5 million
    •Number of emergency department visits resulting in admission to critical care unit: 2.0 million
    Flu visits as a percentage of total visits: 0.4%
    Flu admissions as a percentage of total ER visits 0.04%

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/emergency-department.htm

    Number of staffed hospital beds in entire U.S.: 924,127
    Number of adult ICU beds: 70,823

    https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals

    Number of beds required if Kung Flu results in even a 1% hospitalization rate, out of nominal 100M (out of 330M) infected: 1,000,000.
    Number of ICU beds required if Kung Flu “only” results in 0.1% rate requiring ICU admission for same population: 100,000.
    So if “only” 1/3 of the country gets Kung Flu, and “only” 1% of them need a bed, we’re only swamped and totally fucked to the tune of 75,000 people who can’t even get in the door.
    After we kick out the 700,000 sick patients in those beds already, 24/7/365.
    And we’ll only be short about 30,000 ICU beds, after we kick out the 40,000K really sick fucks already in them too.
    Who will then die.
    As will anyone else requiring an ICU bed, for things like heart attacks and such, until Kung Flu patients aren’t a thing. Like in 3, 6, or maybe even 9 months.
    So no health care for the U.S. this year, or at best, for a huge chunk of it.

    QED

    How hard was it to locate those stats?
    I typed “how many hospital beds in US?” into Google, and clicked the mouse twice.
    Then I used the calculator function, and did the math.
    The idiots at Gateway Pundit are apparently not that tech-savvy.
    Cretism: Give until there’s a cure.

    • BTW, those numbers track with my own experience.
      I.e., 1 flu admission per 2500 visits. Where I work, that’s maybe one admission every 10 days. Which is just about right.
      We don’t admit people for the flu, as a rule, unless they’re really fucking sick.
      Duh.

      Do some more math.
      Annual seasonal flu has a 0.1% CFR. IOW, 1 person in 1000 dies from it. 999 out of 1000 don’t.
      If 50,000 people are estimated to have died from it last season, that means there were at least 50 million people last year who got the flu. 1 in 6 Americans.
      Number of people I’ve seen put on a ventilator for seasonal flu: Zero. Ever.

      But I’ve only been doing this for 25 years or so, and I’m not in the hospital every day, so it’s possible 1 or 2 might have slipped by me.

    • Google Jim Hoft’s “wife”.
      He’s “married” to an asian boy.
      He’s a fucking pedo and grifter.
      Also, a gatekeeper for Juice.

    • Fuck, just fuck!. Spit my Baileys and coffee up. Good one!.

      Dirt

  8. Whether the fear is legit or not, the people who have plans for us are taking notes.

    • Dogs, Pigs, Sheep

      A test that succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. The panic attack hysteria hype is flogged to a pulp by now and the mush brains are clamoring to be lead to safety while waiting for some crumbs from the private banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve.

    • Yes. This. I have been saying since the beginning of this shit show that it stinks (smell test and all). First order of events (panic the heard). Second order of events (stampede the heard) and 3) direct the heard (question here: what is the intended outcome? what was the planned direction? and who set this up?). First two orders have happened – where exactly are we (that would be the heard of sheep) going and to what end?
      If this is what has/is happening you have to admit it is brilliant and well planned – world wide none the less! The heard is being directed (willingly) into the loading shoot (I work with cattle so I get the concept) and awaiting the ‘loading’ procedure……

  9. Berglander

    Maff iz tuff. Related…
    If Cookie Monster had fifteen ovens and it takes an hour to make a batch of cookies, how many could he make in five and a half years?

  10. first, ‘gods’ right hand man prays for god to end corona virus

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/16/pope-francis-walks-deserted-streets-rome-pray-end-coronavirus-12402927/

    ok that didn’t work.. 😦

    now he defaults to the old tried n true making(excuses) lemonade out of a lemon.. and says corona is a ‘blessing’ awesome! WINNING 🙂

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2020-03/pope-francis-urbi-et-orbi-blessing-coronavirus.html

    What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

    Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.

    We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

    Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
    Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

    Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

    The Bible clearly promises that God answers prayers. Yet when we pray, nothing happens (for a complete discussion proving that nothing happens, please see this page). What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true. Therefore, one of two things must be happening:

    God does exist, but he never answers prayers. Unfortunately, God is defined by the Bible to be a prayer-answering being. The contradiction between the reality of God and the definition of God proves that God is imaginary.

    https://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm

    • Bonaventure

      Funny thing is, Bergoglio is about as Catholic as tFat.

      Funny you pay any attention to someone who supposedly represents nothing to you.

      • FTR

        i was skrewled, catechism’d. and confirmed in a catholic church

        but i finally had an epiphany

        • Bonaventure

          Yes, you’re an apostate. We know that.

          But,

          my point still stands.

          • no

            i experienced the apocalypse long ago..

            the unveiling of things not previously known, before my eyes were opened to the diabolical madness of collectivism- which is what religion is

            i suffered the fiery crucible of truth and came out hardened and steeled

            prays are never answered by any god and that is why so many endure in desperation waiting for something that never happens

            only the individual can answer prayers, for it is ones own self-determination that brings success to fruition

            tfA-t is wise beyond the common mans ability to comprehend

  11. So all 500k flu patients went to the hospital at once or over the entire 2018-19 flue season, and they all required respirators, or is this another false equivalency? Asking for a friend.

  12. the CDC numbers are BS. Estimated, and they mix all Pneumonia cases with Flu. Actual flu breakdown is 500 cases.

    Meanwhile, am i supposed to believe gateway pundit or my own eyes seeing the hospitals here over run?

    On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM Western Rifle Shooters Association wrote:

    > Concerned American posted: ” How can that be? ” >

    • from my research

      those who have chosen to live in shittys, ghettos, and among the “liberal enclaves” are having a moment of clarity..

      live in a hellhole

      die in a hellhole

  13. Wilbur Hassenfus

    How long does a flu patient occupy an ICU bed? Weeks, like covid patients? No. How many flu patients need ICU beds at all? It’s possible to count ICU beds using a modern technology called “counting”. Hospitals know how many they have. It’s not a wild guess. Just because you personally don’t know doesn’t mean the number can’t be known.

    This isn’t a game of “don’t admit you’re wrong on the internet”, it’s real.

    Whoever came up with that comparison is lying or stupid. Maybe both.

    This thing isn’t the Black Plague by any means. It’s not even the Spanish Influenza. But it’s genuinely serious.

  14. Absolutely right, full on hoax.

    500,000 went to the hospital (not hospitalized, much less on vents) over a Sept, to April flu season.

    I love coming here to look over the latest commie agit prop that gets spewed.

    Being one step off the front lines here, I will tell you this is real..someone in everyone who reads this’s circle of family and friends will die.

    • NO

      it’s only real in squalor infested shitholes where you most likely are

      un-ass your beloved cesspool of queers, blackies, and degenerates

      there is a better way to live

      tfA-t has spoken

  15. DMV GRINGO

    “Mr. Speaker, I came here to make sure our republic doesn’t die by unanimous consent in an empty chamber and I request a recorded vote,” Massie said on the microphone.

    When no one else stood up, a recorded vote was not taken on the $2 trillion bill despite Massie’s objections.

    “An insufficient number has risen, a recorded vote is refused,” Rep. Anthony Brown said.

    According to ABC News, when Massie stood to request a recorded vote, “Arizona Democratic Rep. Ruben Gallego, who was seated in the upper gallery near the press, said out loud: ‘Shut the fuck up’ toward Massie.’ ”

    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/congressman-massie-denied-2t-coronavirus-stimulus-without-recorded-vote

  16. Joker Fears No Animal Mother

    The enemedia is prattling on about keep calm and how to keep the children occupied during this Great Leap Forward.
    This after whipping up a hysteria for several weeks.
    They even tried to steer some traffic to the CDC page and it was a good thing the coffee wasn’t poured in the cup yet.
    I don’t see any social cohesion from shit talking foreigners with face pollution AKA mean mugs.
    They can shove that commie bravo sierra.

  17. Berglander

    The aerial photo of Cheyenne mountain is hilarious! The suburbs built RIGHT UP TO THE DOOR! lol!

  18. For those that care. G*d is a G*d of logic. There are three possible answers for your prayers to G*d. Yes, No, and Wait. When you pray for G*d to cure you of whatever, He may let you get worse and die. In the Resurrection, you will receive a New Body, as well as your Soul. Men, women and children G*d allows to die because he gave us both free will, and free reign. People die in horrible, pointless, painful ways everyday, and G*d allows it to happen because it is His Will we do exactly as we please on this earth, and often that means death. We don’t live forever and stay young because that is His Will. If you check your history, you will find that all the wars, massacres, other hideous things that take and ruin human life, along with disease and plagues, and lingering diseases are the work of humans continually bringing forth evil on their own, or G*ds’ Will in action. G*d is not a coin operated machine, where you put in your request, and get what you want. If your carry your unconfessed sin with you when you appeal to G*d for His Mercy, it is not likely G*d will answer you favorably.G*d will not hear you unless you make your appeal (and thanks and praise and questions) through His Son, Jesus Christ. And even then, it is Yes, No, and Wait. In Matthew 7:7, Christ does not say He will always answer the way you want. That’s the difference between a Bible dabbler, and a Bible student, T-fAt. G*d is not imaginary, bub. He is there, always. He is not at OUR beck and call. We are at His.

    • Top

      YOU

      NEED

      HELP

      get some

      • DWEEZIL THE WEASEL

        Teef: Top is right. The real truth is in the Good Book. FWIW, I pray for you and all here every day. Those of us who post here, get it. We are family. Maybe, we are a dysfunctional family, but still family. We are NOTHING like the sheeple, normies, and cucks who are blindly headed towards the big Buffalo Jump. Personally, I may sink, but I will not capsize. I will go down on an even keel with all guns firing.
        Remember that scene in the first Red Dawn. The boys are talking through the fence at the drive-in theater to their incarcerated dad. I have no kids of my own(that I know of). But, I have mentored and educated several young men and women who know liberty and know how to handle a firearm. It is my prayer they will carry on once I go full Samuel Whittemore. Bleib ubrig, my friend.

    • Old Gray Wolf

      Bravo, Sean. We are a creation. Created by God. Does the clay tell the potter what kind of vessel it will be? No. The best the clay can hope for is to be fashioned into a vessel of honor, rather than dishonor. And it gets no say in the matter. For the clay to rage against the creator that fashions it is utter lunacy and pointless. I sometimes wonder if Satan grinds his teeth when he begins an attempt to achieve something, knowing already, as he must, how whatever he does will only succeed if it furthers the objectives of the Creator he so hates. The futility of it makes me laugh. As do the benighted ramblings of those who want so badly to be the creator, rather than the creation. There is peace in knowing ones place, and being in it. Kickin against the pricks is a hard life.